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« on: July 01, 2019, 06:29:31 PM »

This will be Trump's longterm legacy, the primary thing he's remembered for.
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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2019, 07:02:43 AM »

Where is grasr00ts? When will Fuzzy arrive? Where is Sanchez at? Not one single blue avatar here. That really says it all IMO.

Trump supporters are already on Twitter denying it all and/or saying the people in the concentration camps deserve it because they broke the law coming here. That will be the party line for years, but over the next few decades, as this becomes the Trump Presidency's defining thing in people's memory, conservatives and Republicans will start insisting that they opposed this all along and it was just everyone else who supported it.
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2019, 12:30:39 PM »

First point can be attributed to lack of funding or a few bad apples, second one is lack of funding, third one is a few bad apples, but overall we are feeding, caring, clothing, rescuing tens of thousands of people, look at the overall story, the good we are doing, not solely the bad things or sensationalism. This is a humanitarian operation that our government is running on a limited budget with a few bad apples, not everything is going to go great.

Are you sure you don't want to add a few more instances of the term 'bad apples' to your post?

Sorry, I have a tendency to pick a metaphor or whatever like Al Gore with the lockbox and just roll with it.

Sure looks like it's way more than a few. And how is "lack of funding" in any way an excuse? Of course the Republicans have intentionally underfunded these camps! That's part of the outrage.

You're also glossing over the fact that Trump has explicitly stated he wants the camps to be unpleasant to deter people from coming here. It's fairly obvious that these camps could be better but the Trump Administration does not want them to be.
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2019, 08:11:14 AM »

In any case, those are horrible conditions. The only question is how widespread they are. And the only possible answer is not abolishing ICE or whatever, but increasing funding so migrants can actually be processed in humane conditions.

That's not really a solution when Trump and his supporters WANT the conditions to be as bad as possible as some kind of "deterrent."

(And unlike our dear friend, I'm not just making up a motivation for the other side and declaring it to be fact. Trump has actually said this.)
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2019, 09:32:54 AM »

In any case, those are horrible conditions. The only question is how widespread they are. And the only possible answer is not abolishing ICE or whatever, but increasing funding so migrants can actually be processed in humane conditions.

That's not really a solution when Trump and his supporters WANT the conditions to be as bad as possible as some kind of "deterrent."

(And unlike our dear friend, I'm not just making up a motivation for the other side and declaring it to be fact. Trump has actually said this.)

Then why did the Democrats vote against ICE Funding that would have alleviated this?

The reason, obviously, is because they want to (A) abolish ICE (long term) and (B) keep their "concentration camp" narrative going (short term) to gain support for the abolition of ICE, an idea that does not have majority public support at present.

The Democrats also hope that conditions become so bad in these camps that a Federal Judge will order the release of large numbers of detainees on some sort of bond or release on their own recognizance prior to some sort of future Court action for their situations.  They won't say this, of course, but why else would they vote against funding designated to alleviate the conditions in ICE Detention Centers.

The reason for the problematic conditions is the overwhelming number of persons that have illegally entered America with the encouragement of the political left in America.  Our ICE Detention system was not problematic until the immigration issue became one where Democrats actively celebrated illegal immigrants.  (They had them on stage at the 2016 DNC; don't tell me that this isn't so.) 

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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2019, 07:09:31 PM »

When people break out the cherry picked Bible quotes to go after Fuzzy...



What non-Christian are you referring to? No one in particular?
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2019, 11:05:09 PM »

NBC: Migrant kids in overcrowded Arizona border station allege sex assault, retaliation from U.S. agents

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WASHINGTON — The poor treatment of migrant children at the hands of U.S. border agents in recent months extends beyond Texas to include allegations of sexual assault and retaliation for protests, according to dozens of accounts by children held in Arizona collected by government case managers and obtained by NBC News.

A 16-year-old Guatemalan boy held in Yuma, Arizona, said he and others in his cell complained about the taste of the water and food they were given. The Customs and Border Protection agents took the mats out of their cell in retaliation, forcing them to sleep on hard concrete.

A 15-year-old girl from Honduras described a large, bearded officer putting his hands inside her bra, pulling down her underwear and groping her as part of what was meant to be a routine pat down in front of other immigrants and officers.

The girl said "she felt embarrassed as the officer was speaking in English to other officers and laughing" during the entire process, according to a report of her account.

A 17-year-old boy from Honduras said officers would scold detained children when they would get close to a window, and would sometimes call them "puto," an offensive term in Spanish, while they were giving orders.

Is anyone who didn't care about "grab 'em by the pussy," walking in on pageant girls changing, the dozens of sexual assault accusers on Trump, etc., going to suddenly care about this? I doubt it.

This is obviously an outrage and a permanent stain on our country's history, but no one is going to care who isn't already outraged by Trump.
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