UK General Discussion: 2017 and onwards, Mayhem

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Starting to think that this country in *general* might have a bit of a problem with...

[Silent Hunter]

Yes, but that was before Corbyn was leader...

[Lachi]

Nationalize 👏 The 👏 Press 👏

The Express is a lunar right wing pile of horse sh**t anyway, what do you expect?

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Nationalize 👏 The 👏 Press 👏

The Express is a lunar right wing pile of horse sh**t anyway, what do you expect?

I mean, yeah, but the reaction was certainly instructive.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Nationalize 👏 The 👏 Press 👏

The Express is a lunar right wing pile of horse sh**t anyway, what do you expect?

A three day silence would be notable, but three hour?

Anyway, isn't is against the interest of newspapers to be supportive of the idea of constant 24/7 media immersion?

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Former Commons speaker Michael Martin dies aged 72

[Angel of Death]

The Daily Express makes the Daily Mail look like The Sun.

[Torrain]

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/990698488710225921?s=20

Concerned about her replacement
_{Please don’t be Gove, please don’t be Gove}

[Silent Hunter]

Well, when the letter came out saying she was aiming to increase the number of deportations, that was close enough to being a 'target' that her argument became unsupportable.

This said, wonder how long before this new liberalism over immigration enforcement disappears.

[cp]

Probably longer than it might otherwise, considering how much political hay Labour and the broader anti-Brexit forces can make of the whole situation. Attacking the harsh immigration policies of the Tories is a way of keeping them on the back foot while implicitly indicting one of the major motivations behind Brexit.

Karen Bradley is rumoured as a replacement. She's remainy, female, and generally untainted by any Home Office or other scandal.

At this point one wonders why anyone would want to step up to the plate. There's certainly going to be more to emerge, any newcomer will be politically powerless (both from being a May-selected backup and having no clout in a Cabinet dominated by 800-pound Brexit supporting gorillas), and *fingers crossed* would only serve for a few months before the next snap election.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

This said, wonder how long before this new liberalism over immigration enforcement disappears.

That's not what this is about though is it? It's about the Kafkaesque targeting of a community no longer regarded as being an immigrant community. Which will upset even the least likely of people.

[Blair]

Karen Bradley is useless. She stumbled into the Cabinet and got lucky to be one of Mays junior ministers when she became PM.

Sajid Javid would make sense.

At least this shows the poison is back in the chalice of the home office.

[Sestak]

Can someone bring me up to speed on what this scandal is?

Also what US position does "Home Secretary" correspond to?

[Ebsy]

Glad to see Rudd got what she deserved.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Can someone bring me up to speed on what this scandal is?

Also what US position does "Home Secretary" correspond to?

A mixture of Attorney General and Homeland Security Secretary. The Home Office is responsible for the borders, visas and immigration, MI5, the police, the fire service, drug policy, counter-terrorism and law and order policies generally. They used to oversee the courts and the prisons, but they were spun off into the Justice Department.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

This said, wonder how long before this new liberalism over immigration enforcement disappears.

That's not what this is about though is it? It's about the Kafkaesque targeting of a community no longer regarded as being an immigrant community. Which will upset even the least likely of people.

I found this article interesting:  https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/04/the-wrong-brexit-what-happened-to-global-britain/

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[Blair]

I always see the 'Global Brexit' crowd (who want lower tariffs on African agriculture, free trade, a very liberal migration system, etc) as no different to the old Bennites who want to leave the EU so that they can reenact the Alternative Economic Strategy and get around EU regulations, which stop you the most socialist tendencies.

Both see the EU as a block to their desired political mission, but both are deluded in thinking that either the British Public, or the British state is going to get it there. Brexit was sold on the basis of stopping the Turkish coming into Britain, giving the NHS a massive injection of cash (whilst keeping all the benefits because we buy cars from Germany)

[Torrain]

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/990883273860673542?s=20

Freedom Decision.

Historic, as far as I know, Javid will be the first non-white holder of one of the Great Offices of State (PM, Foreign, Home and Chancellor)

[Blair]

Sajid Javid would make sense.

Javid is rather interesting. Was first regarded as an devout Thatcherite, who made a fair bit of money as an investment banker, and who rose up as one of George Osborne's supporters (as did Rudd). I always thought he was quite right wing, but he was Crabb's deputy in his 2016 leadership bid.

Was talked about as a future leader in 2015/2016 era but soured a bit after nearly backing Leave, but then reluctantly supporting Remain in the hope of getting a better job (the irony being he has became Home Sec because he was a remainer). Was then demoted to Local Government when May won, and has been quite vocal in Cabinet about the governments shortcomings.

He pissed off a lot of Shire Tory types by talking about some quite radical housing policies, and wanted £50 Billion+ in funding to sort out the crisis. Is certainly a more interesting character than was I first assumed.

Will no doubt now be talked about as a future leader again, however we could return to the New Labour standard of Home Secretary's lasting for about 9 months

[cp]

Sajid Javid would make sense.

Javid is rather interesting. Was first regarded as an devout Thatcherite, who made a fair bit of money as an investment banker, and who rose up as one of George Osborne's supporters (as did Rudd). I always thought he was quite right wing, but he was Crabb's deputy in his 2016 leadership bid.

Was talked about as a future leader in 2015/2016 era but soured a bit after nearly backing Leave, but then reluctantly supporting Remain in the hope of getting a better job (the irony being he has became Home Sec because he was a remainer). Was then demoted to Local Government when May won, and has been quite vocal in Cabinet about the governments shortcomings.

He pissed off a lot of Shire Tory types by talking about some quite radical housing policies, and wanted £50 Billion+ in funding to sort out the crisis. Is certainly a more interesting character than was I first assumed.

Will no doubt now be talked about as a future leader again, however we could return to the New Labour standard of Home Secretary's lasting for about 9 months

It seems likely to be a short stay no matter what. Either he makes some move toward genuinely changing the enforcement policy, i.e ending 'hostile environment', and is removed by May, or he does nothing and is shuffled as soon as someone more ambitious and aligned with May manages to elbow his/her way in.

There's also the elephant in the room of what a post-Brexit immigration system needs to look like. AFAIK the Home Office has done about as much planning for Brexit as the other departments (that is to say: next to zero) so Javid will either sit on his hands and hope something works itself out or try to push forward something bold and innovative, which is sure to anger one side or another.

[Silent Hunter]

This said, wonder how long before this new liberalism over immigration enforcement disappears.

That's not what this is about though is it? It's about the Kafkaesque targeting of a community no longer regarded as being an immigrant community. Which will upset even the least likely of people.

Some still consider them an immigrant community, although those tend to be the same sort of people who like Britain First.

Also, the 'hostile environment' policy was and is very much down to public wishes. The Home Office tried to cater to the mob and hurt innocent people in the process.

Ultimately, the way to fix illegal immigration is to create a more equal world. People migrate for a reason and it's often because of poor life prospects in their home country.

[Silent Hunter]

Can someone bring me up to speed on what this scandal is?

In short, increased enforcement action against illegal immigrants led to long term legal immigrants who couldn't prove their status losing their jobs and facing deportation.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

So that's what it takes to get suspended from the Labour Party. Not Holocaust denial. Coolcoolcool.

[publicunofficial]

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Post it on the local elections thread on IE - I  thought it was a general thread and was wondering why the professor had the Lib Dems losing 83 when they only have like a dozen MP's to begin with.