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Leftbehind
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« on: July 28, 2012, 11:28:05 AM »


Well, if only to balance out the apraisal above, HP. The Right in Labour like to repeat that Blair was electorally the must successful leader, but when you're prioritising electoral concerns to the extent he did, often over principles and ideology, it becomes counter-productive to any success, and for all Blair's victories (three, if we're counting - and he could hardly have hoped for better circumstances for the two he actually won convincingly) he was no more successful than Wilson or Attlee (I'd argue a great deal less successful than both) in the goal of winning elections - to further your aims and ideas, and to enact policies that reflect them.

The Clinton comparison is very apt, and you only need to ask yourself if you feel Clinton is a democratic socialist, to see Blair was nowhere near the party's ambitions. Despite the caricature of the Left ostensibly denying any good he done, it's more that the good he did was overshadowed by the bad - and there was a lot of that, beyond Iraq. Domestically, he cemented much of Thatcher's legacy - to the point where she described him as her legacy - and in some areas even drove it forward: welfare, education, public sector "reform" to name a few.

Internally he overseen a top-down structure within the party, where everything was stage-managed and conference went ignored (still waiting for that rail re-nationalisation!), and out of the party, the British political spectrum became a lot narrower; helping frustration and apathy reign, if they weren't hopping off to the now left-of-Labour Liberal Democrats

I think you only need to hear the Tories say "we're only continuing Labour's work", when they're privatising our schools and the NHS, and see the Labour MP's convoluted response as to why Labour's privatisation was good as opposed to how this is bad, to realise how much damage Blair done to Labour's cause.

Or, y'know, you can just read his offerings.
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2012, 06:56:12 PM »

Careful to use "overseen", rather than "began", precisely because of that - he is no less culpable for continuing it, really. Although I did exclude his distasteful factionalism because Kinnock pursued it with greater vigour, so perhaps inconsistent of me. 
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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2012, 03:41:04 PM »
« Edited: August 06, 2012, 03:50:55 PM by Leftbehind »

So you guys would say that Blair is the best Tory - I mean Labour - PM Britain's ever had? Wink

So would Blair have privatized, etc to the extent that the Tory's have now, and governed similar to Cameron's government?  Or would he have been a step to the left?  And would you say he was center-to-center-right for Britain's standards?

In general, he seems like a very likable guy, and that probably helps him a great deal with voters.  But assuming Labour wins a few extra seats in 2010 with Blair leading them - enough to form a coalition with the Liberals - would he have done so?  What are the affects of this, and would Torys receive a swing from Liberals similar to the swing to Labour?

You'd think so, but no. Most of the post-war Tory PMs were less objectionable, and why would I want to gift the opposition a fairly impressive (in style) leader, and make it harder to beat him and them? As Supersonic hints at, we've largely got Blair in charge, anyway.

Yeah, I think he'd be no different to the coalition re cuts and privatisation, just read the article I linked at the end of my last post - he's shown overt support for the coalition, and from what i can remember, raised some criticisms of Ed Miliband's candidacy in the leadership election because of his opposition to the coalition's direction.  

I'd class him as centre-right, as I've never heard anyone credibly call him a socialist (here's a former Tory leader mocking the very prospect) and prominent Tories (not least the PM) expressed their support for him (Gove, the education minister, notably said he loved him). I'd be open to suggestions, but I can't think of many left-wing things he did that counteracted his right-wing actions. But then the centre's moved enormously, like much of the rest of the world, where Thatcherism is seen as centrism these days, rather than right-wing, so he could still be classed as a centrist and right-wing at the same time. It's funny, Clegg's often been called a "radical centrist", and just like Blair, there's no doubt in my mind both of them are right of centre.
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