Canada General Discussion: Trudeau II

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If what they claim is true, then when was the last time the entire political establishment of a country was decapitated on such a scale?

Brazil in the past few years?

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If what they claim is true, then when was the last time the entire political establishment of a country was decapitated on such a scale?

Well, since this is a thread about Canada, how about the 1993 federal election?

[NewYorkExpress]

I've heard rumours there is a much bigger explosive sex scandal lurking that will hit someone a lot higher up and bigger than Patrick Brown.  Not sure if there is any truth in these rumours, but it would not surprise me if by year's end someone even higher up the food chain gets taken down.

Couldn't it be Trudeau, could it?

[super6646]

If what they claim is true, then when was the last time the entire political establishment of a country was decapitated on such a scale?

Well, since this is a thread about Canada, how about the 1993 federal election?

What a time. Was 3 years old and had no clue what was really going on, but the look on the mp's of the PC's that night as they dropped like flies is something I will never forget.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

I've heard rumours there is a much bigger explosive sex scandal lurking that will hit someone a lot higher up and bigger than Patrick Brown.  Not sure if there is any truth in these rumours, but it would not surprise me if by year's end someone even higher up the food chain gets taken down.

Couldn't it be Trudeau, could it?

That seems to be the implication (as well as Scheer, possibly?)

[mileslunn]

It could be many.  From reading Warren Kinsella's postings and Chantal Hebert's recent column, looks like there will be multiple politicians brought down and in more than one party.  Interesting times ahead.

[DC Al Fine]

I've heard rumours there is a much bigger explosive sex scandal lurking that will hit someone a lot higher up and bigger than Patrick Brown.  Not sure if there is any truth in these rumours, but it would not surprise me if by year's end someone even higher up the food chain gets taken down.

Couldn't it be Trudeau, could it?

That seems to be the implication (as well as Scheer, possibly?)

Possibly, although I think it's more likely to be at the cabinet/critic level.

Kinsella all but named the man. In her latest, Hebert says there's a lot more #MeToo inbound for all 3 parties.

To quote Kinsella:

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[RogueBeaver]

Trudeau tells CBC that he's confident no one will accuse him, and he's been careful all his life to be respectful of women. Says accusers must be believed but there also has to be an independent investigation.

[super6646]

While I've always been skeptical of the #MeToo movement, its going to be very interesting seeing just how many politicans are in for a sh!tshow.

[2952-0-0]

Apparently one of the claims against JT is that he had a consensual relationship with a male conservative staffer, and that both parties were aware during the 2015 election. If that's really it, this is a nothingburger.

[DC Al Fine]

Apparently one of the claims against JT is that he had a consensual relationship with a male conservative staffer, and that both parties were aware during the 2015 election. If that's really it, this is a nothingburger.

If true, he was cheating on his wife, so that's got to count for something... *sigh* who am I kidding, you're probably right.

[cp]

If true, I want to know whether any more of my Canadian politics slash fiction stories might actually be real

[Hatman 🍁]

Wow!

So, all three parties have skeletons in the closet? I wonder who in the NDP has been naughty... I haven't heard any rumours myself.

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Apparently one of the claims against JT is that he had a consensual relationship with a male conservative staffer, and that both parties were aware during the 2015 election. If that's really it, this is a nothingburger.

If true, he was cheating on his wife, so that's got to count for something... *sigh* who am I kidding, you're probably right.

could be in an open relationship tbf

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Apparently one of the claims against JT is that he had a consensual relationship with a male conservative staffer, and that both parties were aware during the 2015 election. If that's really it, this is a nothingburger.

If true, he was cheating on his wife, so that's got to count for something... *sigh* who am I kidding, you're probably right.

could be in an open relationship tbf

I'd believe that.

[Hatman 🍁]

Apparently one of the claims against JT is that he had a consensual relationship with a male conservative staffer, and that both parties were aware during the 2015 election. If that's really it, this is a nothingburger.

If true, he was cheating on his wife, so that's got to count for something... *sigh* who am I kidding, you're probably right.

could be in an open relationship tbf

I'd imagine it's somewhat common(?) for spouses to allow the other spouse to sleep with members of their own sex on the side, as pregnancy is not a concern.

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

Apparently one of the claims against JT is that he had a consensual relationship with a male conservative staffer, and that both parties were aware during the 2015 election. If that's really it, this is a nothingburger.

If true, he was cheating on his wife, so that's got to count for something... *sigh* who am I kidding, you're probably right.

I remember reading sketchy rumours about Obama and Rahm Emanuel hitting the bath houses in Chicago, or Obama being lovers with his Pakistani college roommate. They were all BS, but still funny to read.

[King of Kensington]

Jagmeet Singh will be addressing the media at 1.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/singh-allegation-ndp-1.4514117?cmp=rss

[RogueBeaver]

Erin Weir suspended from caucus duties due to 3rd-party allegation. NDP doesn't yet have complainant's name.

[mileslunn]

Looks like collateral damage from the #metoo movement in all parties.  Hopefully that will gain all of them to focus on cleaning things up instead of using this to score political points.  This is a serious problem that needs fixing.

[King of Kensington]

Former BC premier Dave Barrett, certainly one of the most colorful characters in Canadian politics, has died:

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/first-ndp-premier-of-b-c-dave-barrett-dead-at-87

[DC Al Fine]

Former Cape Breton North MLA and current Mayor of Cape Breton Cecil Clarke has entered the NS PC leadership race. Clarke came out as gay last week in anticipation of his entry into the leadership. He has picked up the endorsement of Sydney River-Mira-Louisbourg MLA Alfie MacLeod.

Also, Cumberland North MLA Elizabeth Smith-McCrossin will be making an announcement on Tuesday.

[mileslunn]

Okay its forum and its out of whack with other pollsters so probably one of the 1 in 20 http://poll.forumresearch.com/post/2826/federal-horserace-january-2018/ . but FWIW interesting but probably not true.

Liberal support at 38% is not too far off other pollsters, but none have the Tories anywhere near 43% and likewise most have the NDP higher than 12% and Greens higher than 3% (the Greens always tend to poll higher in between elections, so they might get that come election day but I suspect the NDP or Liberals as opposed to Tories will benefit more).

Looking at the regional numbers

Atlantic Canada: Small sample but I don't buy for a minute the Tories are tied or over 40%.  Yes things have tightened up a bit there and the Tories may have crossed the 30% line, but most still show the Liberals 15-20 points ahead.

Quebec: This is the one region where the numbers actually seem reasonable.

Ontario: Some other polls have put the Tories over 40% so low 40s is believable, but 46% I highly doubt, even provincially where Wynne is a lot less popular than Trudeau, the provincial PCs don't have those type of numbers.

Saskatchewan/Manitoba: Unlike their past ones, the numbers here are at least somewhat believable.

Alberta: 68% is a bit on the high side for the Tories even in Alberta, but for all intents and purpose no matter what poll you use, you have the Tories winning the vast majority of seats so seat wise doesn't make that big a difference.

British Columbia: While 43% for the Tories is not impossible based on how they've done in the past, I have a tough time believing they are at that is most other pollsters show them below the 30% so while its possible in the right circumstances they could get those numbers, I don't believe they are there right now.

[MaxQue]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/wine-boycott-alberta-british-columbia-trans-mountain-1.4523473

Crazy Alberta Premier bans British Columbia wines.

Hopefully federal NDP wakes up and kick out that oil industry puppet out of the party, with every MLA that refuses to vote her out.

[DavidB.]

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