The Wisconsin Cheese Showdown

[memphis]

Teachers are overpaid all of sudden? What a load! My mom retired in 2005 after 30 years and made about 35k/year. If you want to cherry pick obscene salaries, you probably want to start with hedge fund managers.

[memphis]

What sheer nonsense. The most valuable people of society are the private sector who pay taxes into the government, not the people who take money out.

No, you've got that backwards - the rich exact their privileges from a gencide upon the poor.  Even if one prefers to be an exploiter (who wouldn't?), the whole system rests upon the back of the tortured worker, so he is absolutely necessary, and hence 'valuable'.  Happily 'poor people spring up out of the ground like mushrooms', as the old Thai saying goes, and so there are always more to use.  But there's the rub - they are useful, something a rich person by definition cannot be.

Your over-the-top socialist propaganda makes no sense.  There is no genocide on the poor.  That is, unless in socialist doublespeak, genocide means ever-increasing life expectancy and living standards.

And how can you see no difference between a government that takes money from its citizens at gunpoint and a the private sector, which only takes money from those willing to spend it?

The day of reckoning has arrived.  Those who pay the bloated salaries and pensions of public sector employees are sick and tired of it.  That's what Wisconsin voters said in 2010.  The governor is doing the work of the people who voted for him.

Oh give it a break. As Px said, there's no budget issue in Wisconsin except of the Governor's own creation by deliberately causing a budget shortfall. I seriously doubt the voters went to the voting booth with public employee salaries on their minds. Give the dishonesty a rest.

Worth pointing out that the same crap is playing out at the federal level. Except the deficit spending is producing so much interest that the entire nation's future is compromised. The GOP has literally destroyed the nation for a few decades of lower taxes on richers. Unbelieveable!

[memphis]

That argument is so tired and bloated.  You can easily go without paying taxes.  Just don't work or buy anything or own property!

The same could be said about the private sector.... where purchasing food from a grocery store is "voluntary"... but if you didn't do it.. like not working, owning property, or buying anything at all... would make life much harder.

So just because you get to choose which grocery store you go to... doesn't make it any more voluntary.

Yeah, it's so easy to dodge paying any taxes - I just have to not earn, buy or own anything.  I guess I could just die - but wait... there's a tax on that too.

I get to choose what groceries I want to buy at the store I want at the time I want.  Or I can choose to buy seeds and grow my own food.  I can choose which private actors to deal with.  I can't choose which federal taxes to pay, short of leaving the country or going to jail for not paying them.

It's the GOP plan, cinyc. They've said as much. Starve the beast and whatnot.

[memphis]

Well, it's good to know which side you are on.

This thread has shed light on that.

All that matters in politics, is if you're on the side of the haves, or the have nots.

That's awfully simplistic.  Who are the have-nots here?  Unionized public employees or those who make substantially less than them yet pay their salaries?

I thought that only richers paid taxes in GOPland?

[memphis]

So, the same GOP crowd who spent all of last year screaming that you have to make six figures just to survive in CA and NY is now whining that police and firemen make six figures? Predictable...

[memphis]

Food service department at a historical attraction.

So how do you survive?  And don't you find your poverty would tend to serve as an argument near-at-hand in favor of unions?

I actually like making money, so I show up to work.  And I'm not exactly in poverty.

Still living off parents.

[memphis]

New poll commissioned by pro-market think tank mirrors the Rasmussen poll in showing Walker and his proposal unpopular.

http://www.wpri.org/polls/March2011/poll0311.html

We have a winner:
About twice as many people (72 percent) either somewhat or strongly favor raising income taxes on people making over $150,000 a year as oppose it (27 percent).