Israel

[Torie]

This near Atheist WASP cannot support any policy that would materially increase the risk that Jews living in Israel would be subjected to mass slaughter or expulsion. Once is enough. Never again. If that issue is not at the forefront of one's mind, as one consider policy options in the region, one in my view is profoundly misguided, and yes, morally blind.

Marginalizing folks' views on this issue solely because they happen to be Jewish by the way, is a pretty cheap shot, just as it would be to do the same thing because one happens to be Muslim and/or Arab. It's not fair; it's not right.

[Torie]

This near Atheist WASP cannot support any policy that would materially increase the risk that Jews living in Israel would be subjected to mass slaughter or expulsion. Once is enough. Never again. If that issue is not at the forefront of one's mind, as one consider policy options in the region, one in my view is profoundly misguided, and yes, morally blind.

Which expulsion are you talking about?

In the subject case, it was mostly slaughter, since the victims were not accepted elsewhere. I don't consider expulsion to be an acceptable substitute as a redux. One must deal with the now, in any event.

[Torie]

Oh don't worry about that. He's just obsessed with one of the 20th century's smaller and less significant genocides.

But it happened to white people. One jewish life is worth ten sandns.

I don't recall a mass genocide of "sandns." "Sandns" happen to be "white" by the way, so playing the race card isn't very relevant.

[Torie]

Palestine had a fair deal with the one offered at the end of the Clinton term. They (Arafat) rejected it. They really don't want their own state, I don' think. With that would come responsibilities. What "they" prefer to wage is a demographic war. It won't work. The Jews in any event are not going to be removed for Israel for a very long time - not in my lifetime, and probably not yours. The Arabs need to be suffused with the values of pluralism. Until that happens, frankly I don't trust them.

[Torie]

This near Atheist WASP cannot support any policy that would materially increase the risk that Jews living in Israel would be subjected to mass slaughter or expulsion. Once is enough. Never again. If that issue is not at the forefront of one's mind, as one consider policy options in the region, one in my view is profoundly misguided, and yes, morally blind.

Of course the solution should not be one in which the Israeli population is slaughtered or expelled, but why should the reverse not be true as well? It seems you're placing a higher premium on the life of an Israeli than that of a Palestinian. Is it the turn of the Palestinians for a genocide then?

Why on God's Green Earth would you think  I advocate THAT? In any event, there is no mass genocide of Palestinians occurring, nor expulsion from where they live. Indeed, unlike Christians on the West Bank (almost all have left), Arabs living in Israel seem to find it quite tolerable.