Israel

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I wish that when people comment on the current situation regarding Israel and the Palestinians that they would actually comment on the current situation rather than a garbled version of the situation sixty years ago.

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That argument is beyond retarded unless you accept Hamas' argument that they have a right to all of Israel due to being part of the Caliphate and thus consecrated and forever promised to followers of Islam as valid too.

I'm not going to support terrorism like Xahar, but there is a difference between those cases. The korean family bought that apartment, while the Israeli settlers just invaded and infringed on the arabs' property rights. I'd think two libertarians/classical liberals would be able to see the difference...

And even if the Korean family did move in illegimately, would the proper response be to shoot rockets at Korea? Similarily would it be justifiable if some CARLHAYDEN types started performing terrorism against Mexico in response to illegal immigration?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

LOL@that analogy. More like a pit bull being attacked by a bunch of chihuahuas.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Yes, it might be relevant if Israel's military force was comparable to a rabbit and all of its neighbors comparable to wolves. Rather than the other way around being more accurate.

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Also, I find it funny that both sides invoke God's promise as a justification for their ownership of Palestine. My leftist science teacher wondering when God because a real estate broker.

OMG SPC ACTUALLY MAKES A REALLY GOOD AND VALID POINT!

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The only crime of the Palestinians was being nonwhite on soil that whites wanted for their own.

That's true, but realize in context that 6 million of my people were murdered. You cannot place the blame entirely on the Jews. There is responsibility on both sides.

Did the Palestinians murder those 6 million?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Does anyone else agree with me that Israel is one of the worse places where straight PR could possibly be used? Just the luck of everyone involved that straight PR is used.

Just needs a higher threshold. 5% would at least keep the uber-loonies out.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I'd support a higher threshold, but nothing else.

And how Israel conducts elections is your business because....?

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That is correct. The Christians in the area aren't exactly huge supporters of ultra-Zionists or the settlers, if you observe how they vote.

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Yeah, you may know it's dishonest propaganda, but the general idea of the propaganda is what you were after here.

Well it's nowhere near as dishonest as the first map, which is based on what has to be one of the ten dumbest strawmen I have ever seen.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I could live with the "1949-1967" boundaries for a Palestinian State.  One of my major concerns is with having an undivided Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, but I don't think I need to worry too much about that.

Why is an undivided Jerusalem so important? That's ultra-nationalism if you insist on having any non-Jewish areas.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Why not make the good thing better and kick the settlers out?

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DWTL was the first who came to mind for me.