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« on: February 15, 2018, 11:12:35 PM »

The problem with the GOP is that Trumpism has no suburban appeal whatsoever. Trump's extreme positions on immigration, issues with women, skepticism on climate politics, brash personality, and ties to white nationalism are turning people off. The partisan split is now a cosmopolitan/parochial divide becoming all about identity politics and culture wars rather than policy.

Trump isn't extreme on immigration.

Huh
By all accounts, he is right where every republican should be and is closer to the views of most independents than the average democrat as well. The media narrative that he was extreme on immigration is simply incorrect, according to exit polls and single issue polling. See my links.
A country where 65% of Americans support DACA is not a country where one can call Trump center-right on immigration.

Trump may be a bigot, but I don't recall anyone ever saying he actually wants DACA protections gone entirely. Btw Pennsylvania Deplorable the link to the paper from the Vox article you cited is no longer accessible.
http://stanford.edu/~dbroock/papers/ahler_broockman_ideological_innocence.pdf
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2018, 12:49:51 AM »

Trump may be a bigot, but I don't recall anyone ever saying he actually wants DACA protections gone entirely. Btw Pennsylvania Deplorable the link to the paper from the Vox article you cited is no longer accessible.
http://stanford.edu/~dbroock/papers/ahler_broockman_ideological_innocence.pdf

Even if he is technically for it, he's the one who is ending the executive action (albeit over threats from state Republican AGs, sure) thus triggering this crisis for them, and further, he's the one who is making it impossible to get a bill through Congress by demanding a bunch of conservative immigration priorities that would not only deliver the wall, but slash immigration rates drastically, probably hurting the country in the long run. Realistically, DACA for the Wall alone is enough. The wall is massively expensive, ineffective at its stated goal, damaging to the environment but most of all: a huge symbolic win for him. He is just too greedy and too careless with the lives of dreamers to allow a deal to happen.

Point is, the way he is treating this situation, whether or not he says he is for DACA is irrelevant right now. In practice, he is against it and perfectly willing to deport them without breaking stride. After watching this whole song and dance play out, it's hard to believe he is actually serious about wanting a solution for the dreamers.

Thanks for clarifying. It's hard to imagine Trump handling most political issues tactfully, even if his views happen to align with a large chunk of the electorate.
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