No WW2?
Ben.:
This isn’t strictly speaking an election what if per-say, but suppose Hilter had never come to power and in stead rather like France or Britain, Germany had been able to have been governed by an uninspiring moderate government throughout the 1930’s and this had averted crisis. While at the same time in Japan the moderates had not been pushed out of government by the nationalists…
What would have happened from there on? Personally I think FDR would still have won in 1940 and decided not to run in 1944, a competitive race much like 1948 would have then taken place two years earlier with either Truman or Wallace facing off against a GOP candidate such as Taft, Dewey or Warren…
What would the long term effects have been? And what would the effect on the rest of the world have been?
Middle-aged Europe:
Quote from: Ben on May 06, 2004, 06:39:23 AM
This isn’t strictly speaking an election what if per-say, but suppose Hilter had never come to power and in stead rather like France or Britain, Germany had been able to have been governed by an uninspiring moderate government throughout the 1930’s and this had averted crisis. While at the same time in Japan the moderates had not been pushed out of government by the nationalists…
What would have happened from there on? Personally I think FDR would still have won in 1940 and decided not to run in 1944, a competitive race much like 1948 would have then taken place two years earlier with either Truman or Wallace facing off against a GOP candidate such as Taft, Dewey or Warren…
What would the long term effects have been? And what would the effect on the rest of the world have been?
Technology would be probably less advanced, especially arms and aviation/space travel, and perhaps computer technology too.
The most important question is, would the Cold War take place?
Ben.:
Quote from: Old Europe on May 06, 2004, 07:55:53 AM
Technology would be probably less advanced, especially arms and aviation/space travel, and perhaps computer technology too.
The most important question is, would the Cold War take place?
I think America would slowly abandon isolationism and the European Empires would very slowly begin to shrink... But as to a Cold War with a much larger Germany and with a potentially unstable France and disinterested UK, a second European war might occur in the late 1940 or early 1950's... without WW2 it is possible that Stalin could have been toppled by the military fearful of renewed purges but even if Russia become some form of rightwing dictatorship I think that there would still be a great desire within Russia to expand into eastern Europe and the Baltic states and establish influence in the Balkans as well as countries such as Czechoslovakia and Poland... but as far as Poland goes it could be possible that Germany and Russia might partition the country much as had been done between Austria, Russia and Prussia in the 18th Century... but i do not think there would have been a cold war on the scale that we understood it... low level tensions between the United States and her allies and Russia/USSR and her allies would be probable however...
Middle-aged Europe:
Quote from: Ben on May 06, 2004, 08:13:39 AM
Quote from: Old Europe on May 06, 2004, 07:55:53 AM
Technology would be probably less advanced, especially arms and aviation/space travel, and perhaps computer technology too.
The most important question is, would the Cold War take place?
I think America would slowly abandon isolationism and the European Empires would very slowly begin to shrink... But as to a Cold War with a much larger Germany and with a potentially unstable France and disinterested UK, a second European war might occur in the late 1940 or early 1950's... without WW2 it is possible that Stalin could have been toppled by the military fearful of renewed purges but even if Russia become some form of rightwing dictatorship I think that there would still be a great desire within Russia to expand into eastern Europe and the Baltic states and establish influence in the Balkans as well as countries such as Czechoslovakia and Poland... but as far as Poland goes it could be possible that Germany and Russia might partition the country much as had been done between Austria, Russia and Prussia in the 18th Century... but i do not think there would have been a cold war on the scale that we understood it... low level tensions between the United States and her allies and Russia/USSR and her allies would be probable however...
Well, in that case technology is even less advanced. Perhaps, they never developed nuclear weapons and there was never a man on the moon.
Hell, most of the missile, rocket and spaceflight technology is based on the V-2 originally developed by the Nazis during World War II.
M:
Even a moderate Germany will want some territorial changes, including the annexation of Danzif Free City and at least an autobahn across the Corridor. Spainand China will still have their problems, Italy still has ambitions, and no one at all will be able to tust the USSR. Eventually you probably will have a world war started by Stalin that will look a bit like the beginning of the original Red Alert- USSR vs. most of Europe (Germany, Poland, France, Britain, perhaps Italy, Romania, Turkey, Finland, and or Czeckoslovakia as well), USA uninvolved.
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