Trump and Hillary were both weak candidates

[bagelman]

This is a great hot take, I've never heard this before. /s

It's also correct.

[MT Treasurer]

In other news, water is wet.

[uti2]

In other news, water is wet.

I still find it hilarious that people like you and in your style like Joe Scarborough et. al. who were calling Trump a great candidate early on are now trying to delegitimize him after the fact.

[Joe McCarthy Was Right]

Cruz and Rubio wouldn't have reached 270, they just would've done better in TX, AZ, and UT. Ask just about any Obama/Trump voter and they will tell you immigration and/or trade were deciding factors in their vote.

Hillary Clinton didn't lose because she was some weaker than average Democrat either. She outperformed John Kerry and Al Gore in Pittsburgh, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia. She had more votes than 2012 Obama in Florida. She had record turnout in Dane County WI, home of the kind of voter she supposedly struggled with. Macomb County MI flipped while turnout increased. So, so much for low turnout (rather than voters in non-urban areas leaving the Democratic party) costing her the election. Unlikely that a generic Democrat would have won because they would have run into the same problems as Hillary Clinton.