2012 NDP leadership convention

[MaxQue]

Is that mark in the Battlefords are Len Taylor? He used to be an MP as well.

Nope, Violet Stanger. The mark is actually Lloydminster, not the Battlefords. GEEZ, KNOW YOUR GEOGRAPHY, AL!

As geography of that area isn't very good for me, is Lloydmister the city split between Alberta and Saskatchewan?

[MaxQue]

St. Maurice-Champlain should go back to white, as their MP crossed the floor to Liberals.

[MaxQue]

6/59. I would say than Saganash should count.

And some Montreal NDP sympathiser talked me about Christine Moore, I must assume she has some profile.

[MaxQue]

Moving on, I assume resident Dippers approve of Topp's "junk the Senate, institute PR" ideas?

I don't, but I think most dippers will. I say, keep the Senate, but elect it *with* PR.

That.

And I would add junk Brian Topp.

[MaxQue]

How is he responsible for her defection? She said she still wishes him the best, BTW. Wonder if there'll be more...

You know, Topp team is ready to say anything to win.

[MaxQue]

No source for Duncan's endorsement yet, but it was mentioned

I thought we had agreed not to mention that site.

Well, even if that means depriving ourselves of informations?

[MaxQue]

Well, that is clearly another proof he is an unsuitable leader, but, I don't think we needed other ones.

It was already obvious for me than he would be a very bad choice.

[MaxQue]

Can someone explain why it isn't a clear mistake to pick a candidate whose French is painful to listen to, whose rhetoric is full of middle-class-public-sector earnestness without any hint of working-class populism, and whose policies nevertheless lack any Mulcair-style centrist economics? I thought we learned in the 1990's that this combination didn't work so well.

No. I still fail to understand what people are finding good about Dewar. I would rank him 4th, for the moment.

[MaxQue]

Can someone explain why it isn't a clear mistake to pick a candidate whose French is painful to listen to, whose rhetoric is full of middle-class-public-sector earnestness without any hint of working-class populism, and whose policies nevertheless lack any Mulcair-style centrist economics? I thought we learned in the 1990's that this combination didn't work so well.

No. I still fail to understand what people are finding good about Dewar. I would rank him 4th, for the moment.

He's not Topp; He's not Mulciar; and he's not Peggy Nash.

Not being someone isn't an asset.
Ask that to Liberals who ran entire campaigns on not being the Conservatives.

[MaxQue]

Al is right, the media doesn't understand how the NDP works. That's why it's good to pay attention to sites like the pundit's guide.

Brian Topp is like Jon Huntsman. The media likes to talk about him, but he's not a frontrunner.

Well, unlike Huntsman, I think than Topp was or could have been a frontrunner at the beginning, but he badly played his cards and went down.

Huntsman can't win and could never win inside the current GOP.

[MaxQue]

If the final ballot came down to Mulcair v. Nash, would an ABM movement spring up or would he win because one didn't organize (think Dion '06)?

Unless I'm reading this very very wrongly (someone please correct me in that case), the vast majority of votes will be IRV votes mailed in advance, so an ABM movement would have to spring up before non-negligible numbers of people start mailing.
Which probably means the media Topp narrative is actually helping Mulcair.

The instructions from the party aren't clear, but some people will vote by IRV in advance and some will vote at each round.

I suppose than the mail/online votes are IRV in advance.

[MaxQue]

she was against same-sex marriage

She has no business being an NDP candidate, then.

[MaxQue]

And THAT my friends, is the EXACT attitude I was referring to when I said the NDP has an attitude in it that makes people want to leave.

Yeah! Parties should mean absolutely nothing and lack any ideological consistency! Wooh!

Well, he is a Liberal supporter. That is a pretty accurate description of the party in the last years.

[MaxQue]

Gun control isn't a litmus test either, considering than some MPs opposed it.
The Liberals are the ones having a litmus on gun control, not the NDP.

[MaxQue]

Does Maythissen is/was a London MP?
London-Fawshane, I think?

[MaxQue]

Simplify things for me.

[MaxQue]

Hey, Charlie is a fine man.

Well, Peggy Nash said than he was a poor choice for being the deputy of Dewar, because Dewar has an afwul French and Angus doesn't speak French either.

Anyways, in short, if Dewar win, NDP will crash in Quebec and NDP will return to being the 4th party in Ottawa.

Sorry, Earl.

[MaxQue]

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-canadienne/201202/13/01-4495430-course-au-npd-mulcair-premier-topp-cinquieme.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_B4_manchettes_231_accueil_POS3

A Dewar internal, on 6373 voters (probably people who filled the poll at the bottom on his emails).

Mulcair 25.5%
Nash 16.8%
Dewar 15.1%
Cullen 12.8%
Topp 12.7%

Second choice:
Dewar 21.2%
Nash 19.4%
Mulcair 16.7%
Cullen 14.4%
Topp 12.4%

If the polling was done the way I think it was done (after reading a Dewar ad), Dewar numbers are probably a bit inflated for him.

[MaxQue]

Am I the only one who found it weird to see Dewar attacking Nash from the left on healthcare?

No. The law bans privatising. Nash, pandering to the nationalists, said she wouldn't involve in that.

It says two things.
Nash value electoralism over values.
Dewar has no clue on how to win Québécois.

[MaxQue]

Perhaps.

I strongly disagree with Nash proposal, but I don't reflect the middle Québécois as I'm against involvent of private in Quebec healthcare, even if Quebec government is for.

[MaxQue]

Two things.

1. Topp answered to Dewar by saying than he is at 28% in his own internals. Dewar answered they aren't scientific.

2. La Presse is saying than NDP insiders are saying than Ashton will withdraw soon and endorse Mulcair.

[MaxQue]

No idea. Some people have cards, some have not. Depends of which the system was working well in Quebec when you became a member.

[MaxQue]

Still, a normal map would draw a Regina riding and a Saskatoon one, which would lean to the NDP.

[MaxQue]

Still, a normal map would draw a Regina riding and a Saskatoon one, which would lean to the NDP.

Its almost too early to say who will pick up seats where until we see the new maps... ON, BC & AB (ok and PQ) will all have new ridings; SK will hopefully be totally redrawn into urban/rural ridings... and all other provinces will have to be re-drawn based on intern population shifts.

The boundary commissioners (is that their names?) were announced recently so the process is on!

They have 10 months from now to draw a proposal, do auditions and write a report for parlimentarian hearings.

[MaxQue]

One of the board members of Saskatchewan sat on that board for 1986 redistricting.
Does cities were split, then?