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« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2006, 02:40:07 AM »
« edited: December 20, 2006, 01:15:18 PM by jimrtex »

Wisconsin
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« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2006, 09:50:29 AM »

Both in the yellow districts; errors occured in copying lists of counties from paper to pc. They're included in the totals.
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« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2006, 11:00:36 AM »

Minnesota
Due to the situation around Ramsey, an additional county split is unavoidable.

1 55% of Hennepin
ca.618,330 1.006
2 45% of Hennepin; Carver, McLeod, Sibley
ca.618,329 1.006
3 Ramsey, 51% of Washington
ca.613,560 .998
4 49% of Washington; Dakota, Scott, LeSueur, Goodhue
ca.613,560 .998
5 Anoka, Chisago, Isanti, Sherburne, Wright, Meeker, Pine, Kanabec, Mille Lacs
611,375 .994
6 Southern and Southeastern portions of state extending as far as Nicollet, Brown, Redwood, Cottonwood, Jackson
616,623 1.003
7 Western and Southwestern portions of state extending as far as Benton, Morrison, Todd, Otter Tail, Clay
615,034 1.000
8 remainder
612,668 .996
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« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2006, 12:38:20 PM »

Florida (surprised?)
Two additional county splits in the southern part of the state (Indian River and Palm Beach) that I really don't see how to avoid, although proving this is long and cumbersome. (I can prove that at least one additional county split is utterly unavoidable, though.) Or you could do a non-consecutive district made up of Saint Lucie, Highlands, and part of Broward. That would avoid any county splits. Wink

1 Escambia, Santa Rosa, Okaloosa, Walton, Holmes
641,816 1.004
2 West of that as far as Madison, Lafayette, and Dixie (or "anything else west of the Suwannee and Withlacoochee Rivers" Smiley )
639,514 1.000
3 81% of Duval
ca.633,482 .991
4 19% of Duval; Nassau, Baker, Columbia, Hamilton, Suwannee, Union, Bradford, Clay, Saint Johns
ca.633,482 .991
5 Alachua, Marion, Gilchrist, Levy, Putnam, Flagler
646,013 1.011
6 Volusia, Lake (unfortunate, but unavoidable, grouping)
653,871 1.023
7 70% of Orange
ca.630,770 .987
8 30% of Orange; Seminole
ca.630,770 .987
9 Citrus, Hernando, Sumter, Pasco
646,997 1.012
10 69% of Pinellas
ca.640,143 1.001
11 31% of Pinellas, 36% of Hillsborough
ca.640,144 1.001
12 64% of Hillsborough
ca.640,143 1.001
13 Manatee, Sarasota, Hardee, DeSoto
649,106 1.015
14 Charlotte, Lee, Glades, Hendry
629,301 .984
15 Brevard, Osceola
648,723 1.015
16 Polk, Highlands, Okeechobee, 22% of Indian River
ca.632,295 .989
17 Saint Lucie, Martin, 78% of Indian River, 20% of Palm Beach
ca.632,296 .989
18 56% of Palm Beach
ca.632,296 .989
19 24% of Palm Beach, 22% of Broward
ca.632,296 .989
20, 21 39% of Broward
ca.632,296 .989
22-24 29% of Miami-Dade
ca.646,082 1.011
25 14% of Miami-Dade; Monroe, Collier
ca.646,082 1.011
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« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2006, 12:56:39 PM »

Both in the yellow districts; errors occured in copying lists of counties from paper to pc. They're included in the totals.
Map fixed.  You may have to refresh.
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« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2006, 01:26:19 PM »

Minnesota

County splits done on area (eyeballed)


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« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2006, 01:29:22 PM »
« Edited: December 20, 2006, 08:41:07 PM by jimrtex »

Michigan

Fixed.  May need refresh.


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« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2006, 01:38:21 PM »
« Edited: December 20, 2006, 02:36:26 PM by Everything is not enough, and nothing is too much to bear »

Virginia
With recourse to the rules in the initial post, I'm treating the city of Fairfax as part of Fairfax County (in order to not be forced to put it into D1. I could argue that Arlington, Alexandria and Falls Church are also in Fairfax County, and therefore there's no additional county split involved, but that wouldn't, like, actually change the map).
I'm ready to admit the Virginia Beach - North East Virginia district is weird, but the alternative is worse.

1 Arlington, Alexandria, Falls Church, 32% of Fairfax county
ca.642,307 .998
2 Fairfax city, 64% of Fairfax county
ca.642,308 .998
3 4% of Fairfax county, Loudoun, Manassas, Manassas Park, Prince William, Stafford, Fredericksburg
ca.642,307 .998
4 Virginia Beach, Eastern Shore, and northeast Virginia as far as Gloucester, King William, Caroline, and King George
648,616 1.008
5 Norfolk, Portsmouth, Chesapeake, Suffolk, Isle Of Wight, Franklin city, Surry
642,732 .999
6 From Hampton northwestwards to New Kent and Charles City, thence south including Hopewell, Colonial Heights, Petersburg, Dinwiddie, Sussex, Greensville (refer to other districts' descriptions in case of doubt.)
652,720 1.014
7 Richmond, Henrico, Hanover, Spotsylvania
636,805 .990
8 Chesterfield, Powhatan, Goochland, Louisa, Fluvanna, Albemarle, Amelia, Cumberland, Buckingham, Nelson, Nottoway, Prince Edward, Appomattox, Amherst, Brunswick, Lunenburg, Charlotte, and cities surrounded by these
644,668 1.002
9 Clarke, Fauquier, Culpeper, Orange, Greene, Rockingham, Augusta, Rockbridge, Allegheny, Craig, Giles, and cities surrounded by these, and west of that
639,366 .994
10 Mecklenburg, Halifax, Pittsylvania, Campbell, Lynchburg, Bedford, Franklin, Botetourt, Roanoke, and cities surrounded by these
646,126 1.004
11 Henry, Patrick, Floyd, Montgomery, Pulaski, Bland, and west of that
640,560 .995
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« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2006, 01:51:30 PM »

Michigan

Nobody claims Missaukee, and two claim Ogemaw and Roscommon.
fixed. Ogemaw and Roscommon with D2, Missaukee with D1. Also found that population given for D2, and the sum of all Michigan districts, was too low by 200 persons.
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« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2006, 02:47:53 PM »

North Carolina
1 Hyde, Beaufort, Martin, Edgecombe, Wilson, Nash, Franklin, Warren, and northeast
626,500 1.012
2 Johnston, Wayne, Lenoir, Greene, Pitt, Craven, Pamlico, Carteret
611,467 .988
3 Jones, Onslow, Duplin, Sampson, Pender, New Hanover, Brunswick, Columbus, Bladen
631,519 1.020
4 Wake
627,846 1.014
5 Robeson, Cumberland, Harnett, Lee, Chatham
615,696 .994
6 Hoke, Scotland, Moore, Richmond, Anson, Union, Stanly, Cabarrus, 12% of Mecklenburg
ca.612,273 .989
7 88% of Mecklenburg
ca.612,273 .989
8 Durham, Orange, Alamance, Caswell, Person, Granville, Vance
622,917 1.006
9 Guilford, Rockingham, Stokes, Surry
628,906 1.016
10 Forsyth, Davidson, Randolph, Montgomery
610,589 .986
11 Rowan, Davie, Iredell, Yadkin, Alexander, Wilkes, Allegheny, Ashe, Caldwell, Burke
625,042 1.009
12 Gaston, Lincoln, Catawba, Cleveland, Rutherford, Polk, McDowell
615,491 .994
13 Cherokee, Graham, Swain, Clay, Macon, Jackson, Haywood, Transylvania, Madison, Yancey, Mitchell, Avery, Watauga, Buncombe, Henderson
608,790 .983
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« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2006, 04:15:47 PM »

I'm going down into Georgia to knock down my last game...

Cobb County can't stand alone nor be paired with any neighbor. That I've actually split the offending county rather than a less central one around it is novel, I'll admit.
Populations can probably be balanced better, and I invite anyone to do it. With Georgia's approximately seven million counties, any such redistricting project quickly turns into mechanical calculator-pumping...

1 94% of DeKalb
ca.627,157 .996
2 Gwinnett, 6% of DeKalb
ca.627,156 .996
3 78% of Fulton
ca.633,274 1.006
4 22% of Fulton, Clayton, Fayette, Coweta, Heard, Meriwether
ca.633,273 1.006
5 51% of Cobb, Douglas, Paulding, Carroll, Haralson, Polk
ca.632,508 1.004
6 49% of Cobb, Bartow, Cherokee, Forsyth, Dawson
ca.632,508 1.004
7 Floyd, Chattooga, Dade, Waller, Catoosa, Whitfield, illegible (two counties), Pickens, Gilmer, Fannin, Union, Lumpkin, Towns, White, Rabun, Habersham, Stephens, Banks
634,273 1.007
8 Hall, Jackson, Barrow, Clarke, Oconee, Madison, Franklin, Hart, Elbert, Oglethorpe, Greene, Morgan, Walton, Taliaferro, Wilkes, Lincoln, Hancock, Glascock, Warren, McDuffie, Washington
629,919 1.000
9 Rockdale, Henry, Spalding, Butts, Jasper, Putnam, Newton, Pike, Lamar, Upson, Monroe, Baldwin, Jones, Troup, Harris, Talbot, Taylor, Crawford, Wilkinson
627,227 .996
10 Richmond, Columbia, Burke, Jefferson, Screven, Jenkins, Effingham, Chatham
622,104 .988
11 Muscogee, Chattahoochee, Stewart, Marion, Webster, Schley, Macon, Peach, Houston, Bibb, Twiggs, Quitman, Sumter, Dooly, Pulaski, Bleckley, Wilcox, Crisp
631,859 1.003
12 Johnson, Laurens, Treutlen, Emanuel, Candler, Bulloch, Bryan, Liberty, McIntosh, Long, Evans, Tattnall, Toombs, Montgomery, Wheeler, Telfair, Dodge, Jeff Davis, Appling, Wayne, Bacon, Pierce, Brantley, Glynn, Camden, Charlton, Ware, Clinch, Echols, Lanier
630,050 1.001
13 Lowndes, Brooks, Thomas, Grady, Decatur, Seminole, Early, Miller, Baker, Mitchell, Clay, Calhoun, Dougherty, Randolph, Terrell, Lee, Colquitt, Cook, Berrien, Tift, WOrth, Turner, Irwin, Ben Hill, COffee, Atkinson
624,947 .992
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« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2006, 09:10:12 PM »
« Edited: December 20, 2006, 10:55:20 PM by jimrtex »

Illinois
Note: I count 30 counties in IL-19


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« Reply #37 on: December 20, 2006, 09:19:41 PM »


Soooo close to my map



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« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2006, 11:02:46 PM »

Indiana
Dearborn rather than Dewborn.


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« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2006, 11:23:08 PM »

Ohio

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« Reply #40 on: December 22, 2006, 09:37:44 AM »

Illinois
1-8 12% of Cook
653,223 .999
9 Will, 3% of Cook
653,223 .999
10 Lake
644,356 .986
11 72% of DuPage
654,140 1.001
12 Kane, 28% of DuPage
654,140 1.001
13 McHenry, Boone, Winnebago, Stephenson, Jo Daviess
651,549 .997
14 La Salle, Grundy, Kendall, DeKalb, Ogle, Lee, Livingston, Ford, Woodford, Marshall, Putnam, Bureau, Carroll, Whiteside, Henry
652,155 .998
15 Rock Island, Mercer, Warren, Henderson, Hancock, Adams, McDonough, Schuyler, Brown, Pike, Calhoun, Fulton, Knox, Stark, Peoria, Scott, Greene
655,346 1.003
16 Tazewell, Mason, Cass, Morgan, Menard, Sangamon, Macoupin, Logan, McLean, DeWitt, Piatt
660,069 1.010 (just under, actually.)
17 Madison, Saint Clair, Jersey, Monroe, Washington, Clinton, Bond, Perry
655,720 1.003
18 Kankakee, Iroquois, Vermillion, Champaign, Edgar, Douglas, Coles, Moultrie, Macon, Shelby, Cumberland
654,716 1.002
19 remaining 29 counties to the South (with an unfortunate northern tip in Christian County)
658,095 1.007


If this were attempted in IL, it would fail at the State Supreme Court which has ruled that there can be no more than 0.5% deviation from the ideal district population. However, if these rules were adopted by Congress to be applied to the states then that decision could be avoided.
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« Reply #41 on: December 22, 2006, 06:10:45 PM »

Alabama

1 Mobile, Balwin, Washington, Escambia, Covington
634,426 .999
2 Pike, Bulloch, Macon, Tallapoosa, Lee, Russell, Barbour, Coffee, Dale, Henry, Geneva, Houston, Cleburne, Randolph, Clay, Chambers, Coosa, Crenshaw
637,597 1.004
3 Shelby, Chilton, Autauga, Elmore, Montgomery, Perry, Lowndes, Dallas, Wilcox, Butler, Conecuh
636,311 1.002
4 Calhoun, Etowah, Marshall, Jackson, DeKalb, Cherokee, Blount, Saint Clair, Talladega
636,392 1.002
5 Madison, Morgan, Limestone, Lauderdale, Colbert, Lawrence
631,193 .994
6 96% of Jefferson
ca.635,591 1.000
7 4% of Jefferson, Tuscaloosa, Winston, Marion, Franklin, Fayette, Lamar, Pickens, Greene, Sumter, Choctaw, Cullman, Hale, Marengo, Clarke, Bibb, Monroe
ca.635,590 1.000
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« Reply #42 on: December 22, 2006, 06:48:27 PM »

Mississippi
I did something novel here... instead of starting from scratch, I just got the current districts in line with the rules. Didn't take much.

D1 gains remainder of Webster Co, loses portion of Winston Co
711,776 1.001
D2 gains remainder of Hinds Co, all of Franklin Co, loses portions of Leake and Madison Cos
712,452 1.002
D3 reverse of all changes mentioned at other districts
708,220 .996
D4 gains remainder of Jones and Marion Cos, loses portion of Jasper Co
712,210 1.001
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« Reply #43 on: December 23, 2006, 11:07:50 AM »

Lousiana
One additional county split in New Orleans area is inevitable; placing is debatable but is suggested by Baton Rouge-based district.

1 82% of Orleans, Washington, Saint Tammany [the areas of New Orleans outside this district would probably mostly be high-lying White areas to the South(west) of the city... which makes this district Democrat-electing and EXTREMELY polarized.]
ca.634,660 .994
2 18% of Orleans, Saint Bernard, Plaquemines, Jefferson
ca.634,660 .994
3 Saint Charles, Terrebonne, Lafourche, Saint John the Baptist, Saint James, Saint Mary, Assumption, Iberia, Iberville, Saint Martin, Ascension, West Baton Rouge
637,094 .998
4 East Baton Rouge, East Feliciana, Saint Helena, Livingston, Tangipahoa
637,139 .998
5 Pointe Coupee, West Feliciana, Saint Landry, Evangeline, Avoyelles, Concordia, Tensas, Madison, East Carroll, West Carroll, Catahoula, Franklin, Richland, La Salle, Caldwell, Ouachita, Rapides, Morehouse
647,431 1.014
6 Union, Claiborne, Lincoln, Jackson, Bienville, Webster, Winn, Bossier, Caddo, Red River, De Soto, Sabine, Natchitoches, Grant
638,861 1.001
7 Cameron, Vermilion, Calcasieu, Jefferson Davis, Acadia, Lafayette, Beauregard, Allen, Vernon
639,131 1.001
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« Reply #44 on: December 23, 2006, 12:03:04 PM »

Tennessee
1 Cocke, Jefferson, Grainger, Hancock, and east
632,058 1.000
2 Knox, Blount, Sevier, and Anderson
630,355 .997
3 along the state's southern perimeter from Monroe to Giles, plus McMinn and Moore
633,460 1.002
4 anything else east of D5
624,018 .988
5 Williamson, Rutherford, Wilson, Sumner, Cannon, Marshall, Bedford and Macon
625,484 .989
6 Davidson and Robertson (no alternatives to this grouping, btw)
624,324 .988
7 west of all these as far as Weakley, Carroll, Henderson, Chester and McNairy
634,828 1.004
8 remainder except for D9
ca.642,378 1.016
9 72% of Shelby
ca.642,378 1.016
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« Reply #45 on: December 23, 2006, 01:08:44 PM »
« Edited: December 23, 2006, 01:16:04 PM by Kevinstat »

Maine

1 York, Cumberland, Androscoggin, Oxford, and Franklin Co.s
640,369 (1.005)
2 remainder
634,554 (.995)

I don't know why I waited so long to post this, but shortly after you started this thread I went through a fairly exhaustive process using Microsoft Excel and Sort Commands to separate and get rid of some of the plans with discontiguous districts and came up with the closest plan in terms of population parity that follows your rules.  If you count Hancock County as being contiguous to Knox County, which borders it by the waters between Stonington and Swan's Island in Hancock County and Isle Au Haut in Knox (and Isle Au Haut is connected to Stonington and only Stonington by ferry and is in a state Senate district otherwise entirely in Hancock County, and there has been since the 1990s reapportionment a state House district including Isle Au Hout and a couple Island towns in Knox County closer to Rockland as well as several towns in Hancock County but none of Waldo County, so there is some precedent for crossing that boundary without having a mainland connection), if you count that, than the closest plan is as follows:

1 York, Oxford, Franklin, Somerset, Kennebec, Waldo, Penobscot and Piscataquis Co.s 637,400 (.9999 of ideal ME CD pop.)
2 Androscoggin, Cumberland, Sagadahoc, Lincoln, Knox, Hancock, Washington and Aroostook Co.s 637,523 (1.0001 of ideal)

Here's the HTML address of a map of that plan, with district 1 in green and district 2 in gray:

http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=canthelpit1uw7.png

If you don't count Hancock County as contiguous to Knox County, than the closes plan following your rules is as follows:

1 York, Cumberland, Sagadahoc, Lincoln and Kennebec Co.s 638,298 (1.002)
2 Oxford, Androscoggin, Franklin, Somerset, Piscataquis, Penobscot, Waldo, Knox, Hancock, Washington and Aroostook Co.s 636,625 (.998)

Here's the HTML address of a map of that plan:

http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=canthelpit2ou8.png

In the 2003 congressional redistricting, the Maine Supreme Judicial Court adopted as its preliminary plan the plan shown right above except that the municipalities of Bremen and Monhegan plantation (Monhegan Island - I had a friend from the daycare I went to in first grade who moved there) were in the 2nd district.  But Bremen only bordered Knox County by water (Monhegan Island is connected to both mainland Lincoln County and Knox County by ferry, although it is surronded by non-township territory within Lincoln County which would have had to have been in the second district).  A Democratic lawyer mentioned that in the public hearing before the supreme court, and the Democrats also I believe got a lot of written testimony from Knox County residents who said they didn't want to be in a different district from their "sister county" of Lincoln.  The Democrats actually stated that they preferred a plan the Republican party had drawn, with Waldo County going to the first district and a majority of Kennebec County including Waterville, Winthrop, and Gardiner going to the second - basically the first hugging the coast up to the Penobscot River with a small protrusion inland.  In the end, Democrats got a plan close to what I read on a conservative web site was their original plan, but which they might have abandoned because the federal courts seemed to be getting ever more strict about population equality and the Republicans had proposed a couple plans they really didn't like that had only a 1 person difference in population between the districts.  The Republicans were quite supportive of the Maine Supreme Court's preliminary plan, however, which had a 41-person difference in population between the districts.  The plan some on a conservative web site were knocking the Democrats for had only a 13 person population difference between the two districts and only moved 9 Kennebec County towns from what was then the first district to the second.  The final plan adopted by the court had the second district exceed the first in population by 21 people.
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« Reply #46 on: December 23, 2006, 02:19:37 PM »

Maine
1 York, Cumberland, Androscoggin, Oxford, and Franklin Co.s
640,369 (1.005)
2 remainder
634,554 (.995)

I don't know why I waited so long to post this, but shortly after you started this thread I went through a fairly exhaustive process using Microsoft Excel and Sort Commands to separate and get rid of some of the plans with discontiguous districts and came up with the closest plan in terms of population parity that follows your rules.
How do you do this with a spreadsheet?

If you generated all combinations of 8 counties or less (the district with fewer counties has to have 8 or fewer counties), and 3 counties or more (you need 3 largest counties to get enough population), there are 39,066 possible combinations.  Most of these will be way off on population.  And many will fail contiguity tests, either for the district or its complement.

But that seems a lot of districts to generate with a spreadsheet.
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« Reply #47 on: December 23, 2006, 02:44:39 PM »

I actually plugged in all 2^15 combinations of counties into districts with York always in the first district, sorted out combinations with Oxford and Cumberland in the 2nd district, then with Oxford, Androscoggin and Sagadahoc in the second, all the way to sorting out all combinations with Somerset, Kennebec and Lincoln Counties in the 2nd district and putting back from my map knowledge the combinations with the 1st district contiguous consisting entirely of counties east of that line.  After still having most plans be discontiguous, I used similar sorting methods to get rid of plans with Cumberland surrounded by 2nd district counties and got rid of another large group of discontiguous plans as well.  I originally hoped to determine how many plans were better than the one "the Trond" came up with, but gave it up when it took so long to just find the closest combination of contiguous (by land) counties.  Yeah, it was a lot of work, but I wanted to be sure that I had come up with the closest plan satisfying the Trond's criteria.  I had planned to post the closest to equal division of the counties into districts totally ignory contiguity, but forgot to check that before I started deleting non-contiguous plans and don't want to go through all that again, although it wouldn't take that long for me to learn what that plan is (and the plan with just one district contiguous, which I think was the third closest among all possible combinations - I didn't do any deleting on my first try and didn't even delete 1/2 of the 2^16 combinations, but I gave that up when I didn't find a "land contiguous plan" my second or third page).
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« Reply #48 on: December 23, 2006, 02:49:17 PM »

But that seems a lot of districts to generate with a spreadsheet.

My spreadsheet has exactly 2^16 or 65,536 rows, so before I came up with the idea to fix York County as being in the first district, I had to initially start the rows on collumn 1 before I used the sort command to separate and then get rid of the plans with the second district greater in population.  Holding down the shift key and using the "END" button was invaluable.  I wouldn't have been able to hold my finger on the mouse for some of the groups of collumns I wanted to delete.
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« Reply #49 on: December 23, 2006, 02:53:13 PM »

I know why I didn't find the first of these maps - it never occurred to me to search for a combination that separated York and Cumberland. Wink
I'm not sure why I didn't find that second map - although it hardly matters as my map too is within 1%, so I didn't have to prove whether there were any better maps. Wink
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