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« on: October 27, 2016, 11:14:55 PM »

Discuss.
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2016, 11:23:06 PM »

Nonwhite Democrats are often more religious than white liberals.
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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2016, 11:25:27 PM »

Probably because minorities started voting Democrat in overwhelming numbers because of the Southern strategy and not because they agree with the party on every issue.

You also have seen moderate and conservative whites becoming Republicans (especially in the South) while black or Hispanic moderates are still Democrats.
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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2016, 11:34:56 PM »

Probably becasue minorities, even if they happen to be more moderate or even conservative on certain issues, often feel alienated from the Republican Party as an institution, so they end up voting for and identifying with Democrats.
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2016, 09:50:14 AM »

Probably becasue minorities, even if they happen to be more moderate or even conservative on certain issues, often feel alienated from the Republican Party as an institution, so they end up voting for and identifying with Democrats.

Basically this (the same applies to women, gay people, and some other groups to varying degrees), although the extent to which the premise of this thread is even the case is exaggerated. Sanders, for example, lost most minorities because he was weak on racial issues, not because they thought he was too left-wing.
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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2016, 10:21:44 AM »

Because liberalism =/= left-wing (necessarily), the former appeals more to middle-to-upper-middle class people while the latter is favored by working class and poor people (particularly those who vote Democratic, as non-whites overwhelmingly do, of course), and white people are more likely to be middle-to-upper-middle class than people from ethnic and racial minority groups. This isn't hard to figure out.
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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2016, 11:26:16 AM »

White liberals never had to deal with the difficulties of minorities in getting a job, in the legal system, and in their own jobs. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_wage_gap_in_the_United_States

As of 2009, the median weekly wage for African American and Hispanic workers was about 65 percent and 61 percent that of White workers, respectively. Maybe it's easier to be very liberal when life is good, and you don't have as many worries as minorities.
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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2016, 11:52:31 AM »

White liberals never had to deal with the difficulties of minorities in getting a job, in the legal system, and in their own jobs. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_wage_gap_in_the_United_States

As of 2009, the median weekly wage for African American and Hispanic workers was about 65 percent and 61 percent that of White workers, respectively. Maybe it's easier to be very liberal when life is good, and you don't have as many worries as minorities.

What exactly do you mean by "liberal" in this post, and why would not having a job make it harder?
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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2016, 01:14:44 PM »

how about we dont do this thread hmm had you thought of that perhaps
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2016, 02:26:28 PM »

Probably because minorities started voting Democrat in overwhelming numbers because of the Southern strategy and not because they agree with the party on every issue.

You also have seen moderate and conservative whites becoming Republicans (especially in the South) while black or Hispanic moderates are still Democrats.

Nonwhite Democrats are often more religious than white liberals.

Probably becasue minorities, even if they happen to be more moderate or even conservative on certain issues, often feel alienated from the Republican Party as an institution, so they end up voting for and identifying with Democrats.

Probably becasue minorities, even if they happen to be more moderate or even conservative on certain issues, often feel alienated from the Republican Party as an institution, so they end up voting for and identifying with Democrats.

Basically this (the same applies to women, gay people, and some other groups to varying degrees), although the extent to which the premise of this thread is even the case is exaggerated. Sanders, for example, lost most minorities because he was weak on racial issues, not because they thought he was too left-wing.

These ones seem to hit pretty well. This question wasn't meant to be as much about Sanders(an old white guy from Vermont running on (mostly white) college kid issues doing poorly among minorities isn't exactly strange) as much as most of the most liberal(and not just in the crazy Steiner way) people being white. I guess having to struggle just to survive makes you A. grounded against moonbattery, and B. not as interested in social issues(other then race).
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2016, 07:08:35 PM »

I don't know that I buy the premise. White liberals may be more socially liberal but economically there's a good chance that minority voters may be well to the left. They just tend not to be the ones writing party platforms.
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2016, 01:58:27 PM »

Probably because minorities started voting Democrat in overwhelming numbers because of the Southern strategy and not because they agree with the party on every issue.

You also have seen moderate and conservative whites becoming Republicans (especially in the South) while black or Hispanic moderates are still Democrats.

Nonwhite Democrats are often more religious than white liberals.

Probably becasue minorities, even if they happen to be more moderate or even conservative on certain issues, often feel alienated from the Republican Party as an institution, so they end up voting for and identifying with Democrats.

Probably becasue minorities, even if they happen to be more moderate or even conservative on certain issues, often feel alienated from the Republican Party as an institution, so they end up voting for and identifying with Democrats.

Basically this (the same applies to women, gay people, and some other groups to varying degrees), although the extent to which the premise of this thread is even the case is exaggerated. Sanders, for example, lost most minorities because he was weak on racial issues, not because they thought he was too left-wing.

These ones seem to hit pretty well. This question wasn't meant to be as much about Sanders(an old white guy from Vermont running on (mostly white) college kid issues doing poorly among minorities isn't exactly strange) as much as most of the most liberal(and not just in the crazy Steiner way) people being white. I guess having to struggle just to survive makes you A. grounded against moonbattery, and B. not as interested in social issues(other then race).

     As it happens, American liberalism and American conservatism are both ideologies born from wealth that cater to rather particular concerns. This is a big part of why there is so much discontent on both the left and the right now; the parties represent elite interests that don't touch on the issues that most people face.
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2016, 02:57:58 PM »

Black people don't have the luxury of gambling their votes on Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren type liberals when they're so much more dependent on government programs  and assistance that would be threatened by Republicans.

White people can be crazy liberals because the stakes are lower for them. 
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