Italy 2013: The official thread

[Keystone Phil]

My prediction: Renzi to win 52-48.

When are the results coming in ?

Hmm, I thought he could pull an upset.

Probably I didn't follow the primary enough ...

"It isn't over yet..."

True, but rather unlikely unless PD thoroughly self-nukes and Berlusconi runs a pitch-perfect campaign.

Luckily there's not only Berlusconi. We have to see if Bersani's coalition reach a certain percentage, expecially at the Senate.

...what are you expecting them to get that we still "have to see" about the certain percentage?

[Antonio the Sixth]

My prediction: Renzi to win 52-48.

When are the results coming in ?

Hmm, I thought he could pull an upset.

Probably I didn't follow the primary enough ...

"It isn't over yet..."

Sarkozy will be reelected anyone?

[Keystone Phil]

My prediction: Renzi to win 52-48.

When are the results coming in ?

Hmm, I thought he could pull an upset.

Probably I didn't follow the primary enough ...

"It isn't over yet..."

Sarkozy will be reelected anyone?

Hey, that wasn't the craziest prediction given the result. My horrible prediction with Santorum has been matched by Tender's. Game over.

[SPQR]

True, but rather unlikely unless PD thoroughly self-nukes and Berlusconi runs a pitch-perfect campaign.

Luckily there's not only Berlusconi. We have to see if Bersani's coalition reach a certain percentage, expecially at the Senate.

Luckily,any center-right alternative to berlusconi is just as bad.

[Andrea]

do we have final figures? I wanted to check difference between Bersani's and Renzi's totals compared to first round but it seems PD is not updating anymore as few hundreds polling stations are always missing

[Keystone Phil]

Senate PdL members walked out of a confidence vote earlier today. Might be seeing early elections...

[Keystone Phil]

Seems like Meloni is at war with Berlusconi over his possible candidacy. This is fun.

Good for her even though part of me still wonders: is thi part of an act? Does Silvio's crew have her doing this on purpose so they can control the Anti Berlusconi voices within the party? She was one of his female leaders...

Maybe the Italians here know if she had a genuine, public falling out with Berlusconi.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I can't believe the PdL could fall even lower. These guys are literally betting against Italy. They all deserve to burn in a fire.

[SPQR]

Nobody knows or cares about Meloni,really.

[Keystone Phil]

Alfano: Berlusconi is a candidate.

Oh, man...

[Antonio the Sixth]

Alfano: Berlusconi is a candidate.

Oh, man...

And I'm pretty sure he's behind the PdL's latest shenanigans.

[Keystone Phil]

Wouldn't this at least bring a lot of those PdL converts to M5S back to PdL? I mean, the argument was always that they didn't care about the PdL without Berlusconi so if he's back, wouldn't that please them?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Wouldn't this at least bring a lot of those PdL converts to M5S back to PdL? I mean, the argument was always that they didn't care about the PdL without Berlusconi so if he's back, wouldn't that please them?

Never heard that, honestly. What I've heard is more in the line of they're sick and tired of the PdL in general and of Berlusconi in particular. I could be wrong, of course.

[Keystone Phil]

I'm hearing from a fairly well placed source that former AN members (Meloni, La Russa, Gasparri...basically the people I am familiar with/I like) will probably form a new party but will join a coalition with Berlusconi.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Alfano: Berlusconi is a candidate.

Oh, man...

Jesus Inksing Christ.

[Antonio the Sixth]

And the worse is that the PdL just withdrew confidence to Monti, which means he'll keep on as a caretaker until the next election.

The PdL's new strategy seems to be sinking Italy so that they can put the blame on Monti and play on a hypothetical nostalgia of the "good old" Berlusconi days. Each time I think they've done the worst they could, they manage to hit a new low. Seriously, these guys all ought to be purged.

[Niemeyerite]

I'm so sorry, Italy:

http://www.corriere.it/politica/12_dicembre_08/monti-quirinale-fini-dinosauro-berlusconi_62fea7d2-4122-11e2-b1cb-f72c456506f7.shtml

[RogueBeaver]

For those of us who can't read Italian? It sounds like Monti told Napolitano his government no longer enjoys parliamentary confidence.

[Keystone Phil]

While all this is going on and a snap election seems possible, it looks like voting will take place on March 10th. I've seen the Italian press using "Election Day" a lot. Does the new electoral law limit voting to one day?

[Keystone Phil]

Monti resigning. Snap election?

[Antonio the Sixth]

I will consider this election a personal defeat if the PdL gets over 15%. Of course, these POS do not deserve to be over 1%, but I'm cutting some slack to the voters considering their fundamental stupidity.

[DC Al Fine]

Alfano: Berlusconi is a candidate.

Oh, man...

Jesus Inksing Christ.

They see him trollin, they hatin

[Antonio the Sixth]

Alfano: Berlusconi is a candidate.

Oh, man...

Jesus Inksing Christ.

They see him trollin, they hatin

He's not trolling, I feel like he's dead-serious. That's the saddest thing of all.

[SPQR]

Monti will resign as soon as the Stability Law passes.
He said that he does not want to rule for 3 months with a fake majority...which was what Berlusconi wanted him to do.

Basically,Monti just gave Berlusconi the finger. Berlusconi hoped to appear as the anti-Monti and anti-Euro candidate (criticizing Europe,Euro,austerity and proposing tax cuts...) while at the same time not having any no-confidence,so as to appear "responsible".
Resigning immediately instead of staying in power for 3 more months without the possibility of doing anything,Monti just did a great thing. He's a true statesman,while Berlusconi...it just seems ludicrous to discuss about elections when such human trash is around.

This is not politics,it's a war of ethics and culture.

[Keystone Phil]

But if Monti doesn't want to rule with a fake majority for three months and gave Silvio the finger by bailing, denying Silvio the opportunity to campaign against him/the status quo, how will the election be in March? Will someone else be appointed to lead the government but essentially do nothing?

I understand Monti not leaving until a budget is passed but couldn't that take some time? If someone isn't appointed Prime Minister, doesn't that mean elections would have to be moved?