Los Angeles County Redistricting

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The LA county supervisors are that powerful, huh? Even more powerful than the Supreme Court? Now if only they could strike down Citizens v. United.......

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I don't see how a second Latino district isn't drawn in a county that is about 50% Latino.

What are the proposed maps like that get rid of the white liberal district? Which one? The 4th district really shouldn't exist.....though I don't see how a black district can exist either.

I think a San Fernando valley to Los Angeles downtown area plus a San Gabriel valley to the cities southeast of LA map should be drawn. It might push the Black district a little more north towards West Hollywood and surroundings. The 3rd should still take in most of that area, plus western LA county and take in the beach cities. That is a COI if there ever was one. Hmm....I might need to draw this out.

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http://ridley-thomas.lacounty.gov/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Hispanic-Population-and-Supervisorial-District-Changes-1970-2011-Updated.pdf

Plan S2 looks the best to me....

As for splitting Asians, looks like all the maps splits them up so yeah...

The plan puts the working class to lower middle class San Gabriel Valley with the cities southeast of LA which are similar. The only cities I can see that don't belong are Walnut, Hacienda Heights, Rowland Heights and Diamond Bar. These are Asian areas which can be put together with other Asian areas but they are in the Republican 5th district now, and in all the proposed maps.

The other Latino district is ugly, yes, but it does put working class areas together. I wish the 3rd didn't have to take in Long Beach, especially the northern part, but it's actually a pretty solid COI. The 2nd takes in the black areas and other working class areas. This is the 3rd Latino district of the future, if certain demographic trends continue. How does this map separate white liberal areas? There just aren't that many in LA County. This is not the Bay Area.

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Im pretty sure you could make the black district Latino without disturbing the status quo too much. I don't know all that much about LA but from what I can tell COIs are preserved pretty well. Maybe some adjustment in the SGV would help. Asians seem to be content and they doing even have a seat that is 25%.

25% wow. Maybe I was wrong. I think if that 5th distict could take in the Diamond Bar area, everything would be good. I need to draw this it seems.

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Hmm, yes those white liberal areas in the 2nd should go in it then. The 2nd can take in Long Beach. LBC to Compton!

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Here is my LA county supervisor's map. Waiting on you now, Napoleon.

All racial stats are in VAP.
1st district (blue)- 20.2% White, 4.8% Black, 62.2% Hispanic, 11.2 % Asian; Obama 76-24, Brown 73.8-26.2
2nd district (green)- 16.3% White, 25.2% Black, 45.9% Hispanic, 10.4% Asian; Obama 81.8-18.2, Brown 79.1-20.9
3rd district (purple)- 60.7% White, 3.8% Black, 16.7% Hispanic, 15.7% Asian; Obama 69.6-30.4, Brown 63-37
4th district (red)- 16.2% White, 3.7% Black, 67.7% Hispanic, 11.2% Asian; Obama 68.5-31.5, Brown 66.8-2.33.2
5th district (yellow)- 38.7% White, 5.4% Black, 27.5% Hispanic, 26.2% Asian; Obama 58.5-41.5, Brown 52.7-47.3

Let me know if you guys want zoomed in maps of any particular area.

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Splitting Burbank and Glendale you bad boy

Yes, Burbank was tricky to put somewhere. When there's only 5 seats for 10 Million people, sh**t happens. I was trying to make the 5th as Asian as possible, so Burbank couldn't go in it. Or else I could trade it in for some areas in the SGV.

I'll probably look into that later on to see how much it drops the Asian VAP.

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And I thought my map was ugly. 60% Hispanic population probably is probably going to become something like 40%CVAP. Probably not acceptable. Your goal seems to be to make 5 Dem districts.

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I put Burbank into the 5th and in exchange put the rest of El Monte (I had split to pick up some Asian heavy, but still Hispanic majority precincts), Hacienda Heights and Pomona in the 4th. I could then put East LA in the 1st. Worked out to be nicer than the first map, I think.

One of the consequences of this is that the Hispanic populations are more balanced in the two districts. The 1st is 66.7% VAP and the 4th is 64.4% VAP. The 5th becomes a little less Asian, but still 24.6% VAP. The 5th becomes a little white are 41.3% VAP.

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Well I wanted to try to keep the 2nd as Black as possible. If not, I'd rip it to shreds and make an Asian district about 40% or as high as I could.

That's why you need to include the SGV, including West Covina and Azusa, as well as Pomona in the Latino district, and take out Long Beach. I tried to keep similar income areas together as well.

Well, Long Beach just doesn't belong anywhere, haha. It's a mix of everything.

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Yours is 24.8% Black, and mine is 24.2% Black. And it's 25.2% VAP. Not a big difference. Long Beach is actually 13.5% Black, which is above the county average of 8% Black.

Your Latino district is in the wrong place basically. You cannot go east of the 110 freeway south of downtown. There aren't that many Blacks there. The 2nd needs to be a Black/Latino opportunity district. The SGV and southeast LA County is where the bulk of the Latino population is, as well as downtown, areas just adjacent to it and the SFV, which is where the 1st Latino district should go.

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I just chopped Long Beach in half, and tried to pick up as much marginal Black area as I could, but barely moved it to 25.5% VAP. On the other hand you chopped up the Hispanic population in the SGV, which is similar to what is happening with the current map in the SFV, which is what all the protesting is all about.

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Yours is 24.8% Black, and mine is 24.2% Black. And it's 25.2% VAP. Not a big difference. Long Beach is actually 13.5% Black, which is above the county average of 8% Black.

I think mine was over 27% VAP. And Long Beach is becoming less and less black I took in most of the black population in Long Beach

But if that requires chopping up the Hispanic population in the SGV, it's not worth it. You map really makes no one happy. Hispanics usually want at least 60-65% VAP, and Blacks aren't going to be happy having to compete with Latinos. And you dilute the Hispanic vote in the SGV at the same time.

Also the area where the Black population is declining, and fast, isn't Long Beach (which has some middle class Blacks moving in as well), but rather those marginal areas south of downtown. Wouldn't be surprised if they were all Latino a few years from now. Not to mention the Mexican Mafia makes the process only faster.......

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Pomona goes with Ontario, but it does not go with La Verne or Claremont. It just does not. Don't say it front of some real estate agent, lest you get beaten up.

Pomona and Long Beach are the problem children here. I don't really disagree with your list otherwise, and I have kept those areas together. Maybe not the city of East Los Angeles itself with El monte, but I did keep the vast majority of the Latino areas in the Southeast part of LA county with the SGV. Yes, the finger to Pomona is ugly, but it's really the best place to put it. Pomona not being in a Latino district just doesn't feel right.

And I'm not just talking race (though Latino is really an ethnicity, LA county is 50% "white" actually), Pomona is very dissimilar in every way to basically all the areas that surround it in LA county. It is the same as areas to it's east in SBD county.

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I figured because of the univerisities and proximity they would be a good fit. But yes, on my CD map I have Pomona with Ontario.

Cal Poly Pomona does not equal the city of Pomona as a whole. Actually in my first map I did have Cal Poly in the 5th, as well as the Philips ranch neighborhood which is right adjacent to Diamond Bar. The rest of the city is working class.

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Yup, it's only 4 precincts and yet it's very different from the rest of the city. Same goes with the Cal Poly area. In the end though I did put those areas with the 4th. I split West Covina too, which has the south hills neighborhood, which is outright upper middle class, in a lower middle class city. I still kept it like that in the second map since that area also has a good amount of Asians, and finding Asians for the 5th was a goal since they were complaining. Philips Ranch has more than the rest of the city of Pomona, but not as much.

I doubt either of the maps you or I drew would get passed because the two Republicans would not vote for it. That is another dimension we are not taking into account, and why all the maps proposed are so odd. They would really hate your plan, though mine reduces them down to 1 as well. But your plan has two districts that can possibly elect Republicans. I have one that almost guarantees them a seat. Seemingly Republicans do much better at the local level than at the state or federal level, though it's not too surprising.

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Well, it's possible he could win in the 4th district even if it is Latino, right? After all it is a non-partisan race, so Democrat vs Republican really shouldn't come in the equation. The people should be allowed to elect who they want, which is the point of the VRA anyways. The candidate doesn't necessarily have to be a Latino, but should be their choice, and as a result will care for their concerns.

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Yeah maybe. If it were 66% Latino a candidate wouldn't need to cater to other races though. That is why I like how rmy map is drawn, there are a few "racially competitive" seats that reflect the county's diversity better than a couple overwhelmingly Latino districts would.

Actually, in terms of voters, a 66% district would likely be about 60-61% VAP which translates to about 50% or slightly less CVAP. In terms of actual voter turnout, I doubt it would be majority Latino. But they would likely be the most influential group, yes. Though other groups would be represented as well. Whites probably only need to be 20-25% of the population to be about 40-45% of voters. This is why California is only about 43% White but 60-65% of voters are White. And this is in general elections. Think how it is during primary elections.