Karzai Twists the Knife - Would Support Pakistan over US

[Insula Dei]

Why should Afghanistan be grateful to the U.S.?

We have not helped them. We have invaded them.

Yes, Afghanistan was a much better place pre-2001 . . . .

Unless memory fails me 1980 also was before 2001,...

[Insula Dei]

The reason the US invaded Afghanistan was because the Taliban harboured Bin Laden, and was at the very least indirectly involved in 9/11. The Taliban regime was a festering soar that needed to disappear anyway. Anyone pretending the US invasion of Afghanistan was unjustified needs to think again. It's the way you handled the invasion and what followed that was riddled by mistakes. (e.g. the installation of Karzai, the destruction of papaver fields)

[Insula Dei]

getting tired of this crap.  the Judeo-Christian USA has military presence in 130 countries.  has orchestrated the only large scale invasions of sovereign states in the past decade, both, of course, of predominantly Muslim countries.  your eschatological prejudice can't hold up to objective fact, doesn't try to, and, worst of all, is widespread and destructive.

Saddam had violated the cease-fire agreement on what, 14 counts?  (fyi...in the future if your don't agree with the terms of cease-fire agreements, then stick with the war plan)  And the Taliban was protecting someone who openly attacked us.  Now, I think what Bush was attempting to accomplish in both countries was exceedingly naive, considering that 1) they were both intolerant Muslim countries, and 2) had no experience with democracy and tolerance...but we still had every right to wipe them off the map.

If one were to highlight every instance of Jmfcst illustrating that he has no idea what decency entails, one would no doubt grow depressed really, really fast.

[Insula Dei]

someone of course will say here that 'Hitler was a Christian'

well, they might say that, but that doesn't make it so.  Hitler saw himself as "Savior" and his supporters attacked Christian churches because they didn't think, in comparison to Hitler, Jesus was worthy of being Savior.

Don't forget the Hindu-Buddhist elements! Fascism has some pretty weird moments. (Evola,...)

Also, jmfcst, I haven't read most of this thread, but if you'd ever wind up in a position of power, you

Hitler was raised a Catholic, but by adulthood he was neither christian nor atheist. He believed in a sort of hybrid Nordic mysticism and he often made use of fortune tellers and all that hocus pocus.

Don't forget the Hindu-Buddhist elements! Fascism has some pretty weird moments. (Evola,...)

Also, jmfcst, I haven't read most of this thread, but I suspect it's got plenty of wtf moments. Am I right?