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Re: Germany Megathread (pg 87 Reichstag and Hindenburg give Hitler plenary powers) « on: March 23, 1933 at 04:13:51 pm » This thread in a nutshell:

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Disputation on the Power and Efficacy of Indulgences « on: October 31, 1517, 6:33:26 am » Out of love for the truth and from desire to elucidate it, the Reverend Father Martin Luther, Master of Arts and Sacred Theology, and ordinary lecturer therein at Wittenberg, intends to defend the following statements and to dispute on them in that place. Therefore he asks that those who cannot be present and dispute with him orally shall do so in their absence by letter. In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, Amen. 1. Our Lord and Master Jesus Christ, in saying, "Repent ye, etc.," intended that the whole life of his believers on earth should be a constant penance. 2. And the word "penance" neither can, nor may, be understood as referring to the Sacrament of Penance, that is, to confession and atonement as exercised under the priest's ministry. 3. Nevertheless He does not think of inward penance only: rather is inward penance worthless unless it produces various outward mortifications of the flesh. 4. Therefore mortification continues as long as hatred of oneself continues, that is to say, true inward penance lasts until entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven. 5. The Pope will not, and cannot, remit other punishments than those which he has imposed by his own decree or according to the canons. 6. The Pope can forgive sins only in the sense, that he declares and confirms what may be forgiven of God; or that he doth it in those cases which he hath reserved to himself; be this contemned, the sin remains unremitted. 7. God forgives none his sin without at the same time casting him penitent and humbled before the priest His vicar. 8. The canons concerning penance are imposed only on the living; they ought not by any means, following the same canons, to be imposed on the dying. 9. Therefore, the Holy Spirit, acting in the Pope, does well for us, when the latter in his decrees entirely removes the article of death and extreme necessity. 10. Those priests act unreasonably and ill who reserve for Purgatory the penance imposed on the dying. 11. This abuse of changing canonical penalty into the penalty of Purgatory seems to have arisen when the bishops were asleep. 12. In times of yore, canonical penalties were imposed, not after, but before, absolution, as tests of true repentance and affliction. 13. The dying pay all penalties by their death, are already dead to the canons, and rightly have exemption from them. 14. Imperfect spiritual health or love in the dying person necessarily brings with it great fear; and the less this love is, the greater the fear it brings. 15. This fear and horror - to say nothing of other things - are sufficient in themselves to produce the punishment of Purgatory, because they approximate to the horror of despair. 16. Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven seem to differ as perfect despair, imperfect despair, and security of salvation differ. 17. It seems as must in Purgatory love in the souls increase, as fear diminishes in them. 18. It does not seem to be proved either by arguments or by the Holy Writ that they are outside the state of merit and demerit, or increase of love. 19. This, too, seems not to be proved, that they are all sure and confident of their salvation, though we may be quite sure of it. 20. Therefore the Pope, in speaking of the perfect remission of all punishments, does not mean that all penalties in general be forgiven, but only those imposed by himself. 21. Therefore, those preachers of indulgences err who say that, by the Pope's indulgence, a man may be exempt from all punishments, and be saved. 22. Yea, the Pope remits the souls in Purgatory no penalty which they, according to the canons, would have had to pay in this life. 23. If to anybody complete remission of all penalties may be granted, it is certain that it is granted only to those most approaching perfection, that is, to very few. 24. Therefore the multitude is misled by the boastful promise of the paid penalty, whereby no manner of distinction is made. 25. The same power that the Pope has over Purgatory, such has also every bishop in his diocese, and every curate in his parish. 26. The Pope acts most rightly in granting remission to souls, not by the power of the keys - which in Purgatory he does not possess - but by way of intercession. 27. They preach vanity who say that the soul flies out of Purgatory as soon as the money thrown into the chest rattles. 28. What is sure, is, that as soon as the penny rattles in the chest, gain and avarice are on the way of increase; but the intercession of the church depends only on the will of God Himself. 29. And who knows, too, whether all those souls in Purgatory wish to be redeemed, as it is said to have happened with St. Severinus and St. Paschalis. 30. Nobody is sure of having repented sincerely enough; much less can he be sure of having received perfect remission of sins. 31. Seldom even as he who has sincere repentance, is he who really gains indulgence; that is to say, most seldom to be found. 32. On the way to eternal damnation are they and their teachers, who believe that they are sure of their salvation through indulgences. 33. Beware well of those who say, the Pope's pardons are that inestimable gift of God by which man is reconciled to God. 34. For the forgiveness contained in these pardons has reference only to the penalties of sacramental atonement which were appointed by men. 35. He preaches like a heathen who teaches that those who will deliver souls out of Purgatory or buy indulgences do not need repentance and contrition. 36. Every Christian who feels sincere repentance and woe on account of his sins, has perfect remission of pain and guilt even without letters of indulgence. 37. Every true Christian, be he still alive or already dead, partaketh in all benefits of Christ and of the Church given him by God, even without letters of indulgence. 38. Yet is the Pope's absolution and dispensation by no means to be contemned, since it is, as I have said, a declaration of the Divine Absolution. 39. It is exceedingly difficult, even for the most subtle theologists, to praise at the same time before the people the great wealth of indulgence and the truth of utter contrition. 40. True repentance and contrition seek and love punishment; while rich indulgence absolves from it, and causes men to hate it, or at least gives them occasion to do so. 41. The Pope's indulgence ought to be proclaimed with all precaution, lest the people should mistakenly believe it of more value than all other works of charity. 42. Christians should be taught, it is not the Pope's opinion that the buying of indulgence is in any way comparable to works of charity. 43. Christians should be taught, he who gives to the poor, or lends to a needy man, does better than buying indulgence. 44. For, by the exercise of charity, charity increases and man grows better, while by means of indulgence, he does not become better, but only freer from punishment. 45. Christians should be taught, he who sees his neighbor in distress, and, nevertheless, buys indulgence, is not partaking in the Pope's pardons, but in the anger of God. 46. Christians should be taught, unless they are rich enough, it is their duty to keep what is necessary for the use of their households, and by no means to throw it away on indulgences. 47. Christians should be taught, the buying of indulgences is optional and not commanded. 48. Christians should be taught, the Pope, in selling pardons, has more want and more desire of a devout prayer for himself than of the money. 49. Christians should be taught, the Pope's pardons are useful as far as one does not put confidence in them, but on the contrary most dangerous, if through them one loses the fear of God. 50. Christians should be taught, if the Pope knew the ways and doings of the preachers of indulgences, he would prefer that St. Peter's Minster should be burnt to ashes, rather than that it should be built up of the skin, flesh, and bones of his lambs. 51. Christians should be taught, the Pope, as it is his bounden duty to do, is indeed also willing to give of his own money - and should St. Peter's be sold thereto - to those from whom the preachers of indulgences do most extort money. 52. It is a vain and false thing to hope to be saved through indulgences, though the commissary - nay, the Pope himself - was to pledge his own soul therefore. 53. Those who, on account of a sermon concerning indulgences in one church, condemn the word of God to silence in the others, are enemies of Christ and of the Pope. 54. Wrong is done to the word of God if one in the same sermon spends as much or more time on indulgences as on the word of the Gospel. 55. The opinion of the Pope cannot be otherwise than this:- If an indulgence - which is the lowest thing - be celebrated with one bell, one procession and ceremonies, then the Gospel - which is the highest thing - must be celebrated with a hundred bells, a hundred processions, and a hundred ceremonies. 56. The treasures of the Church, whence the Pope grants his dispensation are neither sufficiently named nor known among the community of Christ. 57. It is manifest that they are not temporal treasures, for the latter are not lightly spent, but rather gathered by many of the preachers. 58. Nor are they the merits of Christ and of the saints, for these, without the Pope's aid, work always grace to the inner man, cross, death, and hell to the other man. 59. St. Lawrence called the poor of the community the treasures of the community and of the Church, but he understood the word according to the use in his time. 60. We affirm without pertness that the keys of the Church, bestowed through the merit of Christ, are this treasure. 61. For it is clear that the Pope's power is sufficient for the remission of penalties and forgiveness in the reserved cases. 62. The right and true treasure of the Church is the most Holy Gospel of the glory and grace of God. 63. This treasure, however, is deservedly most hateful, for it makes the first to be last. 64. While the treasure of indulgence is deservedly most agreeable, for it makes the last to be first. 65. Therefore, the treasures of the Gospel are nets, with which, in times of yore, one fished for the men of Mammon. 66. But the treasures of indulgence are nets, with which now-a-days one fishes for the Mammon of men. 67. Those indulgences, which the preachers proclaim to be great mercies, are indeed great mercies, forasmuch as they promote gain. 68. And yet they are of the smallest compared to the grace of God and to the devotion of the Cross. 69. Bishops and curates ought to mark with eyes and ears, that the commissaries of apostolical (that is, Popish) pardons are received with all reverence. 70. But they ought still more to mark with eyes and ears, that these commissaries do not preach their own fancies instead of what the Pope has commanded. 71. He who speaks against the truth of apostolical pardons, be anathema and cursed. 72. But blessed be he who is on his guard against the preacher's of pardons naughty and impudent words. 73. As the Pope justly disgraces and excommunicates those who use any kind of contrivance to do damage to the traffic in indulgences. 74. Much more it is his intention to disgrace and excommunicate those who, under the pretext of indulgences, use contrivance to do damage to holy love and truth. 75. To think that the Popish pardons have power to absolve a man even if - to utter an impossibility - he had violated the Mother of God, is madness. 76. We assert on the contrary that the Popish pardon cannot take away the least of daily sins, as regards the guilt of it. 77. To say that St. Peter, if he were now Pope, could show no greater mercies, is blasphemy against St. Peter and the Pope. 78. We assert on the contrary that both this and every other Pope has greater mercies to show: namely, the Gospel, spiritual powers, gifts of healing, etc. (1.Cor.XII). 79. He who says that the cross with the Pope's arms, solemnly set on high, has as much power as the Cross of Christ, blasphemes God. 80. Those bishops, curates, and theologists, who allow such speeches to be uttered among the people, will have one day to answer for it. 81. Such impudent sermons concerning indulgences make it difficult even for learned men to protect the Pope's honor and dignity against the calumnies, or at all events against the searching questions, of the laymen. 82. As for instance: - Why does not the Pope deliver all souls at the same time out of Purgatory for the sake of most holy love and on account of the bitterest distress of those souls - this being the most imperative of all motives, - while he saves an infinite number of souls for the sake of that most miserable thing money, to be spent on St. Peter's Minster: - this being the very slightest of motives? 83. Or again: - Why do masses for the dead continue, and why does not the Pope return or permit to be withdrawn the funds which were established for the sake of the dead, since it is now wrong to pray for those who are already saved? 84. Again: - What is this new holiness of God and the Pope that, for money's sake, they permit the wicked and the enemy of God to save a pious soul, faithful to God, and yet will not save that pious and beloved soul without payment, out of love, and on account of its great distress? 85. Again: - Why is it that the canons of penance, long abrogated and dead in themselves, because they are not used, are yet still paid for with money through the granting of pardons, as if they were still in force and alive? 86. Again: - Why does not the Pope build St. Peter's Minster with his own money - since his riches are now more ample than those of Crassus, - rather than with the money of poor Christians? 87. Again: -Why does the Pope remit or give to those who, through perfect penitence, have already a right to plenary remission and pardon? 88. Again: - What greater good could the Church receive, than if the Pope presented this remission and pardon a hundred times a day to every believer, instead of but once, as he does now? 89. If the Pope seeks by his pardon the salvation of souls, rather than money, why does he annul letters of indulgence granted long ago, and declare them out of force, though they are still in force? 90. To repress these very telling questions of the laymen by force, and not to solve them by telling the truth, is to expose the Church and the Pope to the enemy's ridicule and to make Christian people unhappy. 91. Therefore, if pardons were preached according to the Pope's intention and opinion, all these objections would be easily answered, nay, they never had occurred. 92. Away then with all those prophets who say to the community of Christ, "Peace, peace", and there is no peace. 93. But blessed be all those prophets who say to the community of Christ, "The cross, the cross," and there is no cross. 94. Christians should be exhorted to endeavor to follow Christ their Head through Cross, Death, and Hell, 95. And thus hope with confidence to enter Heaven through many miseries, rather than in false security.

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Disputation on the Power and Efficacy of Indulgences « on: October 31, 1517, 7:01:16 am » Sir, this is a Wendy's.

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Penn_Quaker_Girl YaBB God ★★★★★ Posts: 3,726

BREAKING: President Lincoln SHOT (update: in comatose condition) « on: April 14, 1865, 11:39:42 pm » My goodness! How horrid! The president and his family will surely be in my prayers to-nite. He has lead our nation through such great ordeals. I fear his death could lead to a great undoing of his many accomplishments.

Horus Sheliak5 YaBB God ★★★★★ Posts: 4,706

BREAKING: President Lincoln SHOT (update: in comatose condition) « on: April 14, 1865, 11:39:59 pm » What bearing could this have on the war between the states? Could the Confederacy see some sort of sudden increase in support for their cause with President Lincoln unable to govern?

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BREAKING: President Lincoln SHOT (update: in comatose condition) « on: April 14, 1865, 11:40:52 pm » What bearing could this have on the war between the states? Could the Confederacy see some sort of sudden increase in support for their cause with President Lincoln unable to govern? I should think not. Why must you insist the war continue to be some sort of ongoing matter? While there are indeed skirmishes ongoing with the lesser of the southern forces, the competitive phase of this war is now over and there is no reason why this attack on Lincoln should drive any sort of renewed support for the rebel cause.

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BREAKING: President Lincoln SHOT (update: in comatose condition) « on: April 14, 1865, 11:41:33 pm » Let us be honest here. Someone just did this nation a tremendous favor. This assailant took upon himself the task of fulfilling the wishes of those who wish to see freedom from tyranny and the radicals who hold that the races are equal. The tree of liberty must be watered.

Joe Republic Atlas Superstar ★★★★★ Posts: 35,437

BREAKING: President Lincoln SHOT (update: in comatose condition) « on: April 14, 1865, 11:41:58 pm » Let us be honest here. Someone just did this nation a tremendous favor. This assailant took upon himself the task of fulfilling the wishes of those who wish to see freedom from tyranny and the radicals who hold that the races are equal. The tree of liberty must be watered. Spoken like a man whose greatest achievement in life was making the front page of the Weekly Illustrated Cringe Reader for having his mother comment on the size of his maypole.

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BREAKING: President Lincoln SHOT (update: in comatose condition) « on: April 14, 1865, 11:42:23 pm » Let us be honest here. Someone just did this nation a tremendous favor. This assailant took upon himself the task of fulfilling the wishes of those who wish to see freedom from tyranny and the radicals who hold that the races are equal. The tree of liberty must be watered. Spoken like a man whose greatest achievement in life was making the front page of the Weekly Illustrated Cringe Reader for having his mother comment on the size of his maypole. Laughing aloud. Is that real? I absolutely must see this.

Joe Republic Atlas Superstar ★★★★★ Posts: 35,437

BREAKING: President Lincoln SHOT (update: in comatose condition) « on: April 14, 1865, 11:42:49 pm » Let us be honest here. Someone just did this nation a tremendous favor. This assailant took upon himself the task of fulfilling the wishes of those who wish to see freedom from tyranny and the radicals who hold that the races are equal. The tree of liberty must be watered. Spoken like a man whose greatest achievement in life was making the front page of the Weekly Illustrated Cringe Reader for having his mother comment on the size of his maypole. Laughing aloud. Is that real? I absolutely must see this. I assure you, it is very real. I shall dispatch a personal courier to you with a copy in all haste.

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PABOY Creepfest 48 BC « on: January 15, 48 BC, 1:31:32 pm »

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PABOY Creepfest 48 BC « on: January 18, 48 BC, 12:40:18 am »

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PABOY Creepfest 48 BC « on: January 18, 48 BC, 2:19:15 pm »

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PABOY Creepfest 48 BC « on: January 18, 48 BC, 4:43:56 pm » Yowza! Is that really you? If you don't mind me saying, you look fine. Hmu if you're ever in Rome.

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PABOY Creepfest 48 BC « on: January 18, 48 BC, 9:18:06 pm » Yowza! Is that really you? If you don't mind me saying, you look fine. Hmu if you're ever in Rome. Oh FFS. Can we please just let one female poster in without having some weirdo hitting on her? This is exactly why the forum has become so dominated by privileged young Roman dudes.

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PABOY Creepfest 48 BC « on: January 18, 48 BC, 10:27:51 pm » Yowza! Is that really you? If you don't mind me saying, you look fine. Hmu if you're ever in Rome. Oh FFS. Can we please just let one female poster in without having some weirdo hitting on her? This is exactly why the forum has become so dominated by privileged young Roman dudes. You say that like it's a bad thing.

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BREAKING: Soviet Union launches first artificial satellite « on: October 4, 1957, 5:16:19 pm » According to TASS: As a result of very intensive work by scientific research institutes and design bureaus the first artificial satellite in the world has been created. On October 4, 1957, this first satellite was successfully launched in the USSR. According to preliminary data, the carrier rocket has imparted to the satellite the required orbital velocity of about 8000 meters per second. At the present time the satellite is describing elliptical trajectories around the earth, and its flight can be observed in the rays of the rising and setting sun with the aid of very simple optical instruments (binoculars, telescopes, etc.).

There will be peace in the valley for me, some day BRTD Atlas Institution ★★★★★ Posts: 95,002

Re: BREAKING: Soviet Union launches first artificial satellite « on: October 4, 1957, 5:16:42 pm » Are we really listening to TASS now?

AntiMcCarthyist Ghost of Ruin Runeghost Atlas Icon ★★★★★ Posts: 14,268

Re: BREAKING: Soviet Union launches first artificial satellite « on: October 4, 1957, 5:17:11 pm » Happy now, Ike cultists?

Virginia Virginia Administrator Atlas Icon ★★★★★ Posts: 16,766

Re: BREAKING: Soviet Union launches first artificial satellite « on: October 4, 1957, 5:17:34 pm » Are we really listening to TASS now? The statement claims the radio signals will be detectable by amateur radio users and the satellite will be visible with binoculars this evening, so we will find out soon enough. Seems like a big claim to make without being able to back it up. I know I'll be listening on my ham.

Joe Republic Atlas Superstar ★★★★★ Posts: 35,437

Re: BREAKING: Soviet Union launches first artificial satellite « on: October 4, 1957, 5:17:43 pm »

Beet Atlas Star ★★★★★ Posts: 27,348

Re: BREAKING: Soviet Union launches first artificial satellite « on: October 4, 1957, 5:18:00 pm » No doubt carrying enough nukes to bomb the US back to the stone age. Tonight is the night America dies. It's been good knowing you all.

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Re: BREAKING: Soviet Union launches first artificial satellite « on: October 4, 1957, 5:18:13 pm » Amazing. The USA brings over all of its favorite Nazi war criminals just as a f*** you to the evil reds and yet all the red and blue avatars' favorite punching bag manages one of mankind's greatest achievements faster than all the defense contractors with all of the Nazi scientists the American taxpayers can buy.

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Strong "If Atlas were around in the VHS era and consisted of people sending each other video tapes of their political diatribes" vibes:

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Because it’s so much fun… Atlas 47 years ago:

The ironic thing is that 47 years ago, Fuzzy was probably as much of a shill for Democrats as he is for Republicans now, since I'm pretty sure 2000 was when he switched over.

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Yes, I can see Witches and Puritans blowing up Parliament in a Catholic coronation « on: October 23, 1606, 6:08:58 pm » Nov. 5 was a template. You really think anti-papists will tolerate being succeeded by another Catholic down the line? No!!! They would pressure Archbishop of Canterbury Bancroft, etc. to nullify a Catholic succession. Come on. This is the template now. Fawkes is still relevant, in a normal country, he'd be finished by now. However, you'll see anti-papist copycats and so on and so on.

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Yes, I can see Witches and Puritans blowing up Parliament in a Catholic coronation « on: October 23, 1606, 6:09:55 pm » bruh

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Yes, I can see Witches and Puritans blowing up Parliament in a Catholic coronation « on: October 23, 1606, 6:11:55 pm » That you can see this happening says far, FAR more about you, than it does Witches/Puritans.

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Yes, I can see Witches and Puritans blowing up Parliament in a Catholic coronation « on: October 24, 1606, 3:56:57 am » witches don't exist

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Yes, I can see Witches and Puritans blowing up Parliament in a Catholic coronation « on: October 25, 1606, 12:57:19 am » witches don't exist This was literally the first thing that popped into my mind when I saw this thread. No, OP, you can't see Witches and Puritans blowing up Parliament for the simple reason that witchcraft is not actually a phenomenon that exists in the real world in the way that Jesuits with barrels of gunpowder are.

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Yes, I can see Witches and Puritans blowing up Parliament in a Catholic coronation « on: October 25, 1606, 8:16:57 am » witches don't exist This was literally the first thing that popped into my mind when I saw this thread. No, OP, you can't see Witches and Puritans blowing up Parliament for the simple reason that witchcraft is not actually a phenomenon that exists in the real world in the way that Jesuits with barrels of gunpowder are. yeah, see.....I was actually making fun of this position.  Sorry.  Thinking that "a label that doesn't describe a 'a phenomenon that exists in the real world' to blame means you cant blame other people labeling themselves the same" is a very stupid thing to think.  If someone self-identifies as a witch, they know exactly what baggage comes with it.  If someone wants to peacefully practice their non-catholic beliefs and doesn't want everyone else in society to assume they are in league with the devil or a wus LARPing as a druid, they can pick one of thousands of other labels without the baggage.

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Americans will not forget Disco Demolition Night! Radical white supremacists and rabid anti-homosexuals armed with explosives struck at the heart of American sport and music. Even if nobody died, this will leave a deep scar in the American psyche that you will be reminded of every time you put on a disco album. Whomever the Republicans nominate will have to reckon with this legacy of hate and fear, and I don't know if that can overpower whatever economic crises they try to manufacture between now and the election.

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Sakartvelo Moderate Comrade ★ Posts: 22,666

Accident at Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant « on: April 28, 1986, 9:03:13 pm » Just reported on Vremya: That doesn't sound terrible on the face of it, but I'm not sure what to believe here. I've never heard of a Soviet nuclear plant having any sort of accident, and I'm worried if Vremya is reporting it, it may be worthy of some concern.

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Accident at Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant « on: April 28, 1986, 9:04:02 pm » Of course it's nothing to worry about, and you revisionists will constantly look for anything to make the Soviet Union look bad. There is already assistance being provided to the people effected and an investigative commission. Did you see any of that when America was hit by the Three Mile Island Disaster? When are you going to accept that the Communist Party actually knows what it's doing? I will admit though, we didn't have any of these sorts of issues until Gorbachev took over. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up taking a premature retirement at this rate.

muon2 Party Member Comrade ★★ Posts: 16,197

Accident at Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant « on: April 28, 1986, 9:04:31 pm » I'm not going to post too much speculation here, as I see no need to spread fear and unconfirmed information. However, I will note that I work at a lab over 300 km from Chernobyl and we have seen radiation readings that are enough to cause us significant concern. Chernobyl uses RBMK reactors which, while designed and built by the best and the brightest the USSR has to offer, are not perfect machines. That is all I will say at this point, but I would urge everyone to exercise caution and follow developments closely.

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Accident at Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant « on: April 28, 1986, 9:05:22 pm » I'm not going to post too much speculation here, as I see no need to spread fear and unconfirmed information. However, I will note that I work at a lab over 300 km from Chernobyl and we have seen radiation readings that are enough to cause us significant concern. Chernobyl uses RBMK reactors which, while designed and built by the best and the brightest the USSR has to offer, are not perfect machines. That is all I will say at this point, but I would urge everyone to exercise caution and follow developments closely. You should be ashamed to be posting such counter-revolutionary propaganda. There is absolutely nothing wrong with RBMK reactors, either at Chernobyl or anywhere else. I'm sure you didn't mean to imply that one could have such a catastrophic fault as to endanger the lives of everyday working Soviets, but even if you didn't, this is a terrible thing to say about our nation's world-class technological achievements. And to think you are a Party Member. I shudder to think how the government oversight squad for this forum was selected. Clearly with deference to the most radical reactionaries out there and the harshest punishments reserved for those of us most loyal to the Communist system. I have all the faith in the world in the Party and the Supreme Soviet, but I agree with Woodbury that this culture of dissent that Gorbachev has begun to allow with his so-called "glasnost" is setting us back sharply.

АndriуValeriovych andjey Comrade ★ Posts: 7,276

Accident at Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant « on: April 28, 1986, 9:06:27 pm » I wasn't sure whether to post this, but if this is being broadcast on Vremya, I might as well. I have a family member in Pripyat, right next to Chernobyl, who told my dad that there are many cases of what appear to be acute radiation poisoning at the local hospital and they may need to evacuate. Apparently, the first responders to whatever happened got the worst of it. One was so badly burned he may need to be transferred to Moscow for treatment, and he never even went inside the plant! He just touched something on the ground near the plant that was so irradiated he needed to go into intensive care.

BigSerg 7sergi9 Comrade ★ Posts: 1,962

Accident at Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant « on: April 28, 1986, 9:06:43 pm » Obviously just Reagan trying to distract from his little shuttle mishap. And to everyone trying to pin this on the CPSU or Gorbachev, I will remind you that the USSR is a federation of 15 different states and Chernobyl is in Ukraine. The Ukrainians are not Russians and Ukraine is governed from Kiev, not Moscow. If anything bad happened here, I'm sure responsibility rests with the Ukrainian Communist Party officials. Moscow knows how to run a nuclear power plant.

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Accident at Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant « on: April 28, 1986, 9:07:05 pm » Some of you are going to have a really fun time trying to explain your posts in this thread to your friendly neighborhood KGB agent about to knock on your door.

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Accident at Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant « on: April 28, 1986, 9:08:22 pm » Look people, I've stated this before, but it bears repeating: This forum exists thanks to glasnost, and I am not going to be in the business of reporting posters to the KGB because of the positions they take here. Glasnost is a policy I personally support and I think it has the potential to help our country move into the 21st century stronger and more united than we have been since the Great Patriotic War. That being said, I can't control who the KGB chooses to investigate, and I would caution posters to be aware of any misinterpretations of what they say here.

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Accident at Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant « on: April 29, 1986, 8:15:48 am » Yep, looks like another nothingburek.

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Unbelievable, I got excluded from a USSR TL.

I did think about it, but it's kind of hard to parody an anti-establishment leftist in the context of the late Soviet Union. I have no idea where you'd fit into this analogy unless maybe you'd be, like, a Titoist who hates the Soviet system through-and-through but are still a Marxist. What do you think?

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Supersize My TitoTots! progressive85 YaBB God ★★★★★ Posts: 4,310

Is Yugoslavia headed for a civil war? « on: February 28, 1989, 9:13:42 pm » I used to think the civil war talk was just a bunch of neumnost.  Now I'm not so sure.  Ever since Tito's death, we've become a nation that is so bitterly divided that we've come to hate one another.

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Is Yugoslavia headed for a civil war? « on: February 28, 1989, 9:14:21 pm » Maybe in the 2010s

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Is Yugoslavia headed for a civil war? « on: February 28, 1989, 9:16:37 pm » No but if the Milošević cult would just move to Sazan Island that would be great.

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Is Yugoslavia headed for a civil war? « on: February 28, 1989, 9:19:08 pm » No for many reasons: 1) Civil wars only really tend to happen if the armed forces are divided evenly across battle lines. I can't think of any issue that would split the army like that. They either side with Milošević or against him and we either get a dictatorship under Milošević or some other form of government without needing a war. 2) If you're suggesting this might come from a secession crisis like the American Civil War, it's really hard to see what an "independent Slovenia" or "independent Macedonia" would have to gain from leaving. It would only serve to provoke the central government to re-conquer them in a war they could never win. On the flipside, if you're thinking one of the more central nations like Serbia or Bosnia would secede, it would only be to their loss. For example, why would Serbia secede if a huge portion of Serbs live in Bosnia? Ditto Croatia. They're not going to voluntarily give up these populations by seceding, and they know they'll still be in charge of the nation as a whole by sticking together. 3) These aren't the days of the Versailles Conference where everyone just lives in their assigned nation and can claim self-determination. I live in Montenegro, and there are representatives of nearly every Yugoslav nation represented on my street. If this were half the country against the other half, maybe, but it's going to be hard to get people to turn on their neighbors for the benefit of some guy who lives half-way across the country just because their families were from the same ethnic background a century ago. If we do see any violence, it will be much more likely something like the Troubles or the Years of Lead where liberal paramilitaries and wannabe Ustaše, and partisan LARPers doing one-off attacks like JAT Flight 367, maybe a bit more frequently.

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Is Yugoslavia headed for a civil war? « on: February 28, 1989, 9:20:30 pm » Doubtful. Watch these "14th Congress Crisis" takes age like milk as this turns out to just be another scare tactic.

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Is Yugoslavia headed for a civil war? « on: December 14, 1995, 3:55:14 pm » Bump. LOL

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In 2000, there would be predictions that Bush will keep us out of war.

George the Dove, Al the Hawk by Maureen Dowd

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2nd Ford-Carter Debate Night Live Megathread « Reply #344 on: October 6, 1976, 8:24:35 pm » Ford: there is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe, and there never will be under a Ford administration. (Yes, you read that right.)

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2nd Ford-Carter Debate Night Live Megathread « Reply #345 on: October 6, 1976, 8:24:40 pm » Finally, someone gets it.

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2nd Ford-Carter Debate Night Live Megathread « Reply #346 on: October 6, 1976, 8:24:52 pm » Gerald honey, noooooo!!!

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2nd Ford-Carter Debate Night Live Megathread « Reply #347 on: October 6, 1976, 8:24:55 pm » Hahaha Max Frankel is barely holding it together

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2nd Ford-Carter Debate Night Live Megathread « Reply #348 on: October 6, 1976, 8:25:00 pm » Ford has won this debate. No question.

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2nd Ford-Carter Debate Night Live Megathread « Reply #349 on: October 6, 1976, 8:25:08 pm » What's this jive turkey talkin' bout?

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2nd Ford-Carter Debate Night Live Megathread « Reply #350 on: October 6, 1976, 8:25:11 pm » After his tumble on Air Force One last year and now this, I think it's clear that Ford is entering into a long-term cognitive decline. I'd be surprised if he lives to see 1985, frankly.

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2nd Ford-Carter Debate Night Live Megathread « Reply #351 on: October 6, 1976, 8:25:18 pm » He's doubling down! Yugoslavia, Romania, and Poland don't consider themselves dominated by the Soviet Union? What?!

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2nd Ford-Carter Debate Night Live Megathread « Reply #352 on: October 6, 1976, 8:25:21 pm » I think it's safe to assume after tonight that Carter is on track to win with at least 350, if not close to 400 electoral votes. There is no coming back from this for Ford. Only question is whether Carter can outdo Nixon's numbers in '72.

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2nd Ford-Carter Debate Night Live Megathread « Reply #352 on: October 6, 1976, 8:26:17 pm » He's doubling down! Yugoslavia, Romania, and Poland don't consider themselves dominated by the Soviet Union? What?! Yugoslavia and Romania aren’t even connected to the Comecon or operating with the same economic framework, Yugoslavia has free-market co-ops emulating the emerging corporate bogue in Wall Street and Romania operates under esoteric means. Romania has supplied Israel weapons at the height of the Soviet involvement in the regional geopolitical struggle. The Polish communists are practically part and parcel with their Bulgarian counterparts in being receptive to Soviet happenings and directives without being meddled.

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Yugoslavia and Romania weren’t even connected to the Comecon or operated with the same economic framework, Yugoslavia had free-market co-ops emulating the 80s corporate cringe before it became to be in Wall Street and Romania operated under esoteric means. Romania supplied Israel weapons at the height of the Soviet involvement in the regional geopolitical struggle.

The Polish communists were practically part and parcel with their Bulgarian counterparts in being receptive to Soviet happenings and directives without being meddled.

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While I agree with you that Yugoslavia was not dominated by the Soviet Union by any stretch (at least beyond the usual influence of having a global power in the neighborhood), and Romania is arguably a bit of an edge case, I think it's totally fair to say that the average Pole perceived their country as being dominated by the Soviet Union in 1976. Romanians might hedge their wording a bit more if they wanted to be academic about it and say something like "Romania was subjugated to communist rule imposed by the Soviets and suffered under a system of communism espoused and supported by Moscow" even if they still had a little more leeway in foreign policy decisions than other countries in Eastern Europe. But as I said, it's an academic distinction more than the popular "feeling" of domination Ford was talking about.

Unfortunately, I don't think there's really much contemporary hard evidence around on the topic, so I'm just basing this on conversations I've had with Eastern Europeans (Romanians in Romania and Poles in America, specifically) and their accounts in the 2010s and 2020s will obviously be shaped by modern experiences (like post-Cold War Russian invasions) more than a dispassionate view of history. But hey, isn't that what this thread is all about?