Italian Elections and Politics 2018: Yellow Tide

[Sestak]

Question for non-fascists: If it came down to Di Maio vs. Salvini, who's less damaging?

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Di Maio, definitely.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Why doesn't Salvini shave? I remember when fascists used to have some form of style for their facial hair, not gross neckbeards.

Ugh, yeah. Salvini is really as ugly externally as he is internally.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Question for non-fascists: If it came down to Di Maio vs. Salvini, who's less damaging?

Di Maio (normal, sane, not a fascist)

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Btw, watching the international politics amateurs over at PredictIt trying to predict the next PM is quite amusing.

[jaichind]

So like how do we find the results because I have no clue on how to navigate the election website.

Same here.  I can only get to turnout figures but not real results.

I am referring to http://elezioni.interno.gov.it/camera/votanti/20180304/votantiCI

Thx.  I figured it out about 10 min ago ..
Not sure if you still need help, but in case you need here's an image that might help.

[jaichind]

Top Lega (Northern League) official Giancarlo Giorgetti speaking from party HQ:
"These are historic results for the Lega. We're picking up votes from North to South. We had 4 percent in 2013, now projections say 16 to 17 percent, perhaps more. We'll discuss things with our allies but this is a historic moment for the Lega."


Five Star lawmaker Alessandro Di Battista takes the stage in a crowded and increasingly cheerful headquarters:
"A triumph, an apotheosis" for Five Star, he says, which shows that "everybody will have to come and talk to us from now on."

[Sestak]

Top Lega (Northern League) official Giancarlo Giorgetti speaking from party HQ:
"These are historic results for the Lega. We're picking up votes from North to South. We had 4 percent in 2013, now projections say 16 to 17 percent, perhaps more. We'll discuss things with our allies but this is a historic moment for the Lega."


Five Star lawmaker Alessandro Di Battista takes the stage in a crowded and increasingly cheerful headquarters:
"A triumph, an apotheosis" for Five Star, he says, which shows that "everybody will have to come and talk to us from now on."

Just please don't make a coalition with Lega...

[Oryxslayer]

So like how do we find the results because I have no clue on how to navigate the election website.

Same here.  I can only get to turnout figures but not real results.

I am referring to http://elezioni.interno.gov.it/camera/votanti/20180304/votantiCI

Not sure if you still need help, but in case you need here's an image that might help.

for the one not mentioned:

Votanti: Turnout reports, soon to finish once the cities come in.

Risultati: The direct results
Elenchi: Breaks down the results by region, and FPTP constituency. Currently none reporting.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Am I correct that M5S is anti capitalist? Isn't degrowth essentially anti-capitalist? If so, I don't know why they would form a government with Salvini and his band of dumbasses.

[Sestak]

Am I correct that M5S is anti capitalist? Isn't degrowth essentially anti-capitalist? If so, I don't know why they would form a government with Salvini and his band of dumbasses.

I mean, if the only other two-party option is with Renzi then it could happen...

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

I mean yeah, but I would argue they have more in common with the Democrats than with League.

[Sestak]

I mean yeah, but I would argue they have more in common with the Democrats than with League.

Policy-wise perhaps, but PD is so (to use an American term) "swampy" that they may prefer LN.

[mgop]

if silvio and renzi form new government, well rip italia

[Oryxslayer]

Umbria Joins D'Aosta in being completely counted turnout.

Umbria, down from 79.10% to 77.32%
Val D'Aosta, down from 77.08%  to 72.40%

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Why doesn't Salvini shave? I remember when fascists used to have some form of style for their facial hair, not gross neckbeards.

Ugh, yeah. Salvini is really as ugly externally as he is internally.

Alec Guinness once wrote of his desire to give Radovan Karadžić a severe hair cut - a short back and sides, actually. Similarly, whenever I see a picture of Salvini I have this urge to force him to have a wash and trim that gross facial fuzz neatly.

[Oryxslayer]

I mean yeah, but I would argue they have more in common with the Democrats than with League.

Policy-wise perhaps, but PD is so (to use an American term) "swampy" that they may prefer LN.

Heard chat elsewhere about M5S + PD supply with PD kicking Renzi, probably the most likely M5S government right now. I say again, Lega and M5S agree on virtually nothing besides the migrants,, so very little change of a alliance there.

[jaichind]

Italian Senate Elections: LA7 Third Projection 

Party   Votes %
Five Star Movement   32.3%
Democratic Party   18.9%
League   17.5%
Forza Italia   14.5%
Brothers of Italy   4.1%
Free and Equal   3.3%
+Europe Bonino   2.5%
Us With Italy - UDC   1.2%
Together Italy Europe   0.6%
Popular Civic Lorenzin   0.5%

[Sestak]

I mean yeah, but I would argue they have more in common with the Democrats than with League.

Policy-wise perhaps, but PD is so (to use an American term) "swampy" that they may prefer LN.

Heard chat elsewhere about M5S + PD supply with PD kicking Renzi, probably the most likely M5S government right now. I say again, Lega and M5S agree on virtually nothing besides the migrants,, so very little change of a alliance there.

That could work. At this point I'm perfectly willing to jettison Renzi if it means stopping Salvini.

If current results hold, what do you guys think the post likely government is?

[mgop]

would be nice if m5s and lega find common ground

[Antonio the Sixth]

Am I correct that M5S is anti capitalist? Isn't degrowth essentially anti-capitalist? If so, I don't know why they would form a government with Salvini and his band of dumbasses.

It doesn't have any sort of coherent ideology or project on economic issues.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Am I correct that M5S is anti capitalist? Isn't degrowth essentially anti-capitalist? If so, I don't know why they would form a government with Salvini and his band of dumbasses.

It doesn't have any sort of coherent ideology or project on economic issues.

It's a howl of (quite legitimate, quite justified) protest linked to an increasingly deranged personality cult.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

I mean yeah, but I would argue they have more in common with the Democrats than with League.

Policy-wise perhaps, but PD is so (to use an American term) "swampy" that they may prefer LN.

Heard chat elsewhere about M5S + PD supply with PD kicking Renzi, probably the most likely M5S government right now. I say again, Lega and M5S agree on virtually nothing besides the migrants,, so very little change of a alliance there.

That could work. At this point I'm perfectly willing to jettison Renzi if it means stopping Salvini.

If current results hold, what do you guys think the post likely government is?

This.

I don't care for Renzi. The Democrats have to be willing to boot him if they want to stop Salvini and Berlusconi. I actually see a PD-M5S coalition coming out of this. They have more in common policy-wise than the others.

[Oryxslayer]

Current Results, no longer as biased towards the north and now diversified, but still dominated by Piedmont, Emilia & Romagnia, and Tuscany:

2876/61401 Senatorial

Right - 37.38%
-Lega 20%
-Forza 13%

M5S - 29.59%

Left - 25.41%
-PD 21.3%

Also - Lower Chamber, same leans as the senate:

328/61401

Right - 38.70%
-Lega - 22%
-Forza - 12.5%

M5S - 28.92%

Left - 24.43%
-PD - 20.7%

[DavidB.]

Can all Americans calm down please? Fascists received less than 2% of the vote.