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Question: Would you support the following HYPOTHETICAL peace treaty for the Russian-Ukrainian War?
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Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦
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« on: August 11, 2023, 06:32:59 AM »

Under drunk Yeltsin, Russians had shrinking economy, high inflation, and shortened lifespans.
The person who talks these Putin templates about a person who suffered a bunch of heart attacks, and about an economy that was trying to recover after dozens of years of government imprisoning and shooting any private entrepreneurs, clearly indicates who he is.
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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2023, 08:35:01 PM »

There is such a thing as magnanimity in victory, and that would have been a good time for it.
The West did a ton for Russia post USSR collapse, we made Ukraine give up its nukes back to them for security guarantees that we now know weren’t worth the paper it was printed on, did little when Russia messed with Moldova with the Transnistria scam, didn’t recognize the Chechen revolts, along with giving them billions to stimulate the economy, and heck even made offers to let them join NATO
The West really helped Russia a lot after USSR collapse, and accepted Russia into its family, but the very attitude towards USSR collapse was wrong. "We won, **** yeah! Now no one will stop us from doing business!" It would be worthwhile to conduct a study of what USSR collapse really was, for what purpose did the Russians actually reformat their state, and what forces in Russia made this possible.

In general, the arrogance of the US in its sense of being the global policeman causes the US government to make many mistakes in international politics.
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2023, 08:57:42 PM »

Under drunk Yeltsin, Russians had shrinking economy, high inflation, and shortened lifespans.
The person who talks these Putin templates about a person who suffered a bunch of heart attacks, and about an economy that was trying to recover after dozens of years of government imprisoning and shooting any private entrepreneurs, clearly indicates who he is.

Yelstin had something like a 2% approval rating. I'm sure plenty of Russians hate both Putin and Yeltsin.
Did you confuse with "2% of the bourgeois" from Bolshevik propaganda or with "2% of Navalnyata sh**t" from Putin's propaganda? I remember very well how much we worried about Yeltsin when, during his second term, he was on the verge of death, undergoing the most difficult heart operations. We sympathized with him very much. And then Putin just took away his seat.

It's very surprising that he was able to live until 2007, by the way.  Perhaps when a person is no longer fed "Novichok", he more or less restores health.
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2023, 11:26:37 PM »

No, polls really did have Yeltsin with 2-3% approval ratings at his lowest point.

Just how reliable such polling was in Russia is, of course, a different ball game entirely.
What polls? Those that Putin personally drew yesterday? It is unlikely that Yeltsin would have been elected for a second presidential term with 2% of the vote.
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2023, 12:02:30 AM »

As for the modern attitude towards Yeltsin, yes, Yeltsin and the nineties for Putin and the mobsters who adore him are objects to which they stick those their atrocities that they cannot stick to the West. It's called "finding a scapegoat". For example, it is very convenient for mobsters to discuss how they robbed a store yesterday, sniffed cocaine and knocked down several pedestrians, prefaced with the phrase "A long time ago, in the distant terrible nineties..." Also, having built an intense propaganda to turn the nineties into a nightmare scarecrow, Putin led the country to a place where the nineties could seem like a paradise to someone who still managed to maintain a sober mind (which in modern Russia is possible only for those who communicate exclusively with foreigners via the Internet and don’t go outside at all).

I think the nineties scare Putin actually only because thereat for the first time in Russia all the benefits of civilization became available not only to the aristocracy, whether monarchist or communist elite, but to all Russians without exception. This really seems to him a terrible and disgusting thing.
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2023, 08:24:18 PM »

No, polls really did have Yeltsin with 2-3% approval ratings at his lowest point.

Just how reliable such polling was in Russia is, of course, a different ball game entirely.
What polls? Those that Putin personally drew yesterday? It is unlikely that Yeltsin would have been elected for a second presidential term with 2% of the vote.

Fairly obviously, he had regained some popularity by then. Duh Smiley

Though you are surely at least as aware of the rumours about the 1996 election as I am.
Rumors that appeared when Putin ruled, and Yeltsin was so retired that he seemed already dead? Of course, Yeltsin was a highly dubious democrat just because of his Soviet upbringing and the CPSU fools he had to manage, but he scored a fair 35% in the first round, which a dictator like Putin would never allow himself. I would suggest that it was Ziuganov who added voices for himself, for example, he could take them away from Lebedj, whom the Russians truly loved.
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2023, 11:31:53 PM »

It's hard to upvote a starting post when it proposes donating nuclear bombs to post-Soviet states, one of which is now under the rule of the pro-Russian crime group.
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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2023, 05:54:25 AM »

No, polls really did have Yeltsin with 2-3% approval ratings at his lowest point.

Just how reliable such polling was in Russia is, of course, a different ball game entirely.
What polls? Those that Putin personally drew yesterday? It is unlikely that Yeltsin would have been elected for a second presidential term with 2% of the vote.

Fairly obviously, he had regained some popularity by then. Duh Smiley

Though you are surely at least as aware of the rumours about the 1996 election as I am.
Rumors that appeared when Putin ruled, and Yeltsin was so retired that he seemed already dead? Of course, Yeltsin was a highly dubious democrat just because of his Soviet upbringing and the CPSU fools he had to manage, but he scored a fair 35% in the first round, which a dictator like Putin would never allow himself.
No, there were plenty of claims made at the time. Surprised you are unaware of this.

It was almost certainly broadly free and fair, but also with some rough edges shall we say.
Well, with the restored text of the quote, your post looks somehow completely unconvincing and even inapt.
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