Have you ever had a religious or supernatural experience?

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No.

My mildly aspergic mind is good at rationalising things that appear fantastical.

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You're all being very defensive here which but what's worse, not discussing and reasoning the similar claims of miracles from adherents of different faiths due to the claimed intervention of other deities, spirits or ancestors.

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I do not trust Craig Keener's word on the efficacy of Christian miracles any more than I trust the word of David Miscavige on the efficacy of Dianetics. If there is ever a consensus in the scientific community that miracles are real-- say, on the same level as global warming-- then I'll get back to you. But cult members can't be trusted to represent their cult using facts.

This is absurd. There is no “scientific consensus” on the existence of Abraham Lincoln, or on the existence of Columbus, or on the existence of matter itself. The idea that a very narrow field such as science holds all the answers to everything and will eventually abolish the humanities is absurd. Now, it is true that 35-40% of scientists are Christians who believe in the Resurrection of Jesus, and this view is becoming more common among scientists. (This is one of two subgroups in America where religiosity is increasing.) What percent have to be Christians for you to affirm that miracles and science are not in conflict?

Experts in the field of history (which is the field of study relevant to the existence of Lincoln) agree that Lincoln exists. However, experts in the field of medicine (the field of study relevant to the existence of medical miracles) do not agree that miracles exist, and would laugh in your face if you suggested that prayer could provide an actual remedy for a person beyond the placebo effect.

What else needs to be said?

Most doctors believe in miracles, and 55 percent claim to have seen one themselves.  Admittedly, you can quibble with the survey wording, but it is clear a large percentage of doctors do in fact believe in miracles.

https://www.hcplive.com/view/3635

'Those surveyed represent physicians from Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, and Buddhist religious traditions.'

Selecting a sample of religious physicians will probably give you that result.

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Instead of chasing anecdotes, probably the most effective way to discuss whether doctors believe in miracles is to look at polls asking them that question. The answer seems to be yes by a wide margin. Not that it really proves anything besides whether doctors believe in miracles.

We've already discussed this very survey:

I do not trust Craig Keener's word on the efficacy of Christian miracles any more than I trust the word of David Miscavige on the efficacy of Dianetics. If there is ever a consensus in the scientific community that miracles are real-- say, on the same level as global warming-- then I'll get back to you. But cult members can't be trusted to represent their cult using facts.

This is absurd. There is no “scientific consensus” on the existence of Abraham Lincoln, or on the existence of Columbus, or on the existence of matter itself. The idea that a very narrow field such as science holds all the answers to everything and will eventually abolish the humanities is absurd. Now, it is true that 35-40% of scientists are Christians who believe in the Resurrection of Jesus, and this view is becoming more common among scientists. (This is one of two subgroups in America where religiosity is increasing.) What percent have to be Christians for you to affirm that miracles and science are not in conflict?

Experts in the field of history (which is the field of study relevant to the existence of Lincoln) agree that Lincoln exists. However, experts in the field of medicine (the field of study relevant to the existence of medical miracles) do not agree that miracles exist, and would laugh in your face if you suggested that prayer could provide an actual remedy for a person beyond the placebo effect.

What else needs to be said?

Most doctors believe in miracles, and 55 percent claim to have seen one themselves.  Admittedly, you can quibble with the survey wording, but it is clear a large percentage of doctors do in fact believe in miracles.

https://www.hcplive.com/view/3635

'Those surveyed represent physicians from Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, and Buddhist religious traditions.'

Selecting a sample of religious physicians will probably give you that result.

'A national poll of 1,100 physicians from different religious faiths asked whether they believed in miracles;'

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'A national poll of 1,100 physicians from different religious faiths asked whether they believed in miracles;'

I don't see anything saying unaffiliated people were excluded from the survey.  I don't have access to the original study, but this seems unlikely and rather the press statement is just saying a wide variety of faiths were included among the respondents.

www.jta.org/2004/12/23/lifestyle/when-doctors-believe-in-miracles/amp

All reporting of the survey mentions it was measuring people of different faiths.