Senate Protest and Analysis Thread

[HappyWarrior]

Again, Marokai, the goal is to be able to see a position from someone else's point of view and not just criticize them blindly. It's not a matter if regional rights if someone truly believes that abortion is murder. Nowhere did I state a position in this thread, but those who have should know that there are many different ways people see abortion and that it is the driving cause between the policies they advocate.

The thing is you can't pick and choose when you wnat to be pro-region when that is supposed to be the whole point of the party.  Abortion is a regional issue and always has been in Atlasia as the majority of Atlasia is fully aware.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

You know my problem with this is that by introducing the Abortion Ban Bill, and making this a national issue, you give the left the authority to introduce federal pro-choice bills as well. So by opening this door we might very well end up with a national bill forcing Regions to allow second trimester abortion, rather than one banning it. Which I think would be tragic.

As I've said before, we should keep the regional issues regional, and HappyWarrior makes a good point that you can't pick and choose when to be pro-regions and when not to be.

[Lief 🗽]

Does Atlasia have a federal abortion policy?

[HappyWarrior]

Does Atlasia have a federal abortion policy?

Like I said it has always been a regional issue by tradition.  For instance in the Mideast we  have embraced a policy wherein we only allow abortion in the case of abortion, incest, or danger to the mother.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Abortion should remain at the regional level. No reason to make wedge issues out of something so polarizing, yet so irrelevant to the maintenance of good government. That applies to both sides, of course.

Anyways, there is no chance that this passes the 33rd Senate.

[Vepres]

Does Atlasia have a federal abortion policy?

Like I said it has always been a regional issue by tradition.  For instance in the Mideast we  have embraced a policy wherein we only allow abortion in the case of abortion, incest, or danger to the mother.

So, one can only abort in a case where one is going to abort. Very liberal for the Mideast

[HappyWarrior]

Does Atlasia have a federal abortion policy?

Like I said it has always been a regional issue by tradition.  For instance in the Mideast we  have embraced a policy wherein we only allow abortion in the case of abortion, incest, or danger to the mother.

So, one can only abort in a case where one is going to abort. Very liberal for the Mideast

I meant rape lol

[Purple State]

A thought I had: There is no legislation to help the failing banks. This may lead to dire economic results in one week's time unless substantial movement is made by the Senate to address the problem (it does not need to be bailing out the banks, but some sort of strategy to address the issue). Your GM has spoken.

[Alexander Hamilton]

How about the Senate move to create a national bank, and let the banks that are failing fail. Enough corporate welfare.

[Associate Justice PiT]

A thought I had: There is no legislation to help the failing banks. This may lead to dire economic results in one week's time unless substantial movement is made by the Senate to address the problem (it does not need to be bailing out the banks, but some sort of strategy to address the issue). Your GM has spoken.

      "The nation's banking system are on the verge of failure. If this issue is not addressed, the Atlasian dollar will have no use other than as toilet paper. You have seven days to address this problem. Meeting adjourned."

[Lief 🗽]

How about the Senate move to create a national bank, and let the banks that are failing fail. Enough corporate welfare.

I support this plan (or some variation thereof).

[Alexander Hamilton]

How about the Senate move to create a national bank, and let the banks that are failing fail. Enough corporate welfare.

I support this plan (or some variation thereof).

I'm sure the Senate is full of quality legislators able to deliver a competent plan. NC Yankee and Marokai Blue could probably strike gold working together on this.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I don't support giving hundreds of billions to the banks. So we should do one of three things. Nationalize crippled banks. Bust the large banks into smaller banks. Let certain banks fail.

I have no idea how to go about writing this however.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I don't support giving hundreds of billions to the banks. So we should do one of three things. Nationalize crippled banks. Bust the large banks into smaller banks. Let certain banks fail.

I have no idea how to go about writing this however.

Here was my idea (likely you won't care, but f it):

Create a "national bank"
It will be government ran and regulated
Credit will be offered to those looking to purchase homes or start businesses with fixed low rates
Instead of being private owned, the taxpayers revenue will be increased by the low interest rates
Significant risk management regulations would be put in place
The bank would be less of an assistant to private banks and more of a competitor

I suppose that this could be considered "socialist" but how "socialist" is it to create a means of encouraging capitalism? The easier access to safe and well-regulated credit as well as increased business opportunities should offer a boost to the economy as well as create a buffer to future server downturns as the one we recently experienced. I'd be glad to entertain any concerns or suggestions or whatever if someone likes this idea.

[Marokai Backbeat]

That might be a good idea for going forward, but how will we prevent the current bank failures? That doesn't really help in the short term.

[Ebowed]

That might be a good idea for going forward, but how will we prevent the current bank failures?

Bailouts, I'm afraid to say.

[MaxQue]

That might be a good idea for going forward, but how will we prevent the current bank failures? That doesn't really help in the short term.

With Southeast money if they decides to burn it?

[Alexander Hamilton]

That might be a good idea for going forward, but how will we prevent the current bank failures? That doesn't really help in the short term.

For the short term, I'd suggest letting the failing banks fail and creating some kind of legislation that allows the federal government to safeguard those who are going to be adversely affected simply by choosing to use a certain bank, as an emergency solution. The government may still be absorbing the loss, but we'd be doing that anyways. No need to give handouts to corporations in a capitalist, survival of the fittest economy. This is the point where we decide between corporatism and liberty.

[Alexander Hamilton]

That might be a good idea for going forward, but how will we prevent the current bank failures?

Bailouts, I'm afraid to say.

No. We must absorb the losses, protect the victims, and allow the clients to consolidate under a more feasible company. Atlasia shouldn't reward a lack of success in business.

[Ebowed]

Atlasia shouldn't reward a lack of success in business.

Well, it helps if we don't think of this as a 'reward', because it is not.

While I am terribly uncomfortable with the idea that a corporation is "too big to fail", the sort of global economic consequences that could arise from this sort of thing is a fairly disastrous gamble to be making...

Obviously the entire system needs to be reformed in such a way to prevent this from occurring once again: repealing all of the deregulation which allowed these bad loans to be made, and looking at strengthening our anti-trust laws.  And if we had a series of bailouts, clearly we would not be financing the massive CEO bonuses that were all too common in the U.S. Troubled Asset Relief Program.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Atlasia shouldn't reward a lack of success in business.

Well, it helps if we don't think of this as a 'reward', because it is not.

While I am terribly uncomfortable with the idea that a corporation is "too big to fail", the sort of global economic consequences that could arise from this sort of thing is a fairly disastrous gamble to be making...

Obviously the entire system needs to be reformed in such a way to prevent this from occurring once again: repealing all of the deregulation which allowed these bad loans to be made, and looking at strengthening our anti-trust laws.  And if we had a series of bailouts, clearly we would not be financing the massive CEO bonuses that were all too common in the U.S. Troubled Asset Relief Program.

You should consider my previous proposal.

[Ebowed]

You should consider my previous proposal.

Well I agree with creating a national bank.

If we were to buy out the banks which are going under completely rather than bail them out, we do face the issue of not getting the money back (as banks are already beginning to pay back the U.S. government for TARP).

[Alexander Hamilton]

You should consider my previous proposal.

Well I agree with creating a national bank.

If we were to buy out the banks which are going under completely rather than bail them out, we do face the issue of not getting the money back (as banks are already beginning to pay back the U.S. government for TARP).

But no matter what we do those funds are already a loss. In the end I think that bit will eve itself out. It's more a matter of future liquidity, stability and prosperity. I also think that any steps we can take toward eliminating the notion that "it takes money to make money" should be. Making it easier for Atlasians to access safe credit, as well as taxpayer profits (possiblt decreasing the tax burden over time? ) will make it possible for more Atlasians to proper and climb the social ladder.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Also, with the creation of a national bank, we could probably create a new cabinet position related to managing fiscal policy to go along with it.

[Јas]

Does Atlasia have a federal abortion policy?

I think the Reproductive Rights Act is the standing legislation on the issue.