Without knowing the partisanship of these districts, do you deem this NC map fair? (14 districts)

[Vern]

No its not.

[Vern]

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my fair map

[Vern]

The map gets a lot easier with 14 districts actually.   



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In the short term in this map Dems would probably be limited to 5 seats,  but 8, 11, and 14 could trend D enough by the end of the decade to flip them.   

This is a solid map.

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my fair map

Why did you draw this with 2010 data? Why did you split Wake County in half? This is a pretty clear D gerrymander.

I didn't make it with 2010 data. On my end, it shows 2018. Also, Wake County has to be split, so what is the problem. This map is a 7-7 map.

[Vern]

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[Vern]

The map gets a lot easier with 14 districts actually.   



https://davesredistricting.org/join/1daa5814-bfa4-4b55-b77b-6f3f3c9825e8

In the short term in this map Dems would probably be limited to 5 seats,  but 8, 11, and 14 could trend D enough by the end of the decade to flip them.   

This is a solid map.

https://davesredistricting.org/join/d433094c-770d-4b75-9e4a-671614e65893

my fair map

Why did you draw this with 2010 data? Why did you split Wake County in half? This is a pretty clear D gerrymander.

I didn't make it with 2010 data. On my end, it shows 2018. Also, Wake County has to be split, so what is the problem. This map is a 7-7 map.

Because the way you split it is a gerrymander. Wake County should have 1 100% Wake district, and 1 that takes up the rest. Instead, you split the county perfectly in half, so Wake County doesn't get it's own district and you gerrymander a second district D. It's basically the equivalent of splitting Milwaukee.

Who says that Wake has to have 1 100% district? Also, the second district you say is a D one is almost an even district.

[Vern]

The map gets a lot easier with 14 districts actually.   



https://davesredistricting.org/join/1daa5814-bfa4-4b55-b77b-6f3f3c9825e8

In the short term in this map Dems would probably be limited to 5 seats,  but 8, 11, and 14 could trend D enough by the end of the decade to flip them.   

This is a solid map.

https://davesredistricting.org/join/d433094c-770d-4b75-9e4a-671614e65893

my fair map

Why did you draw this with 2010 data? Why did you split Wake County in half? This is a pretty clear D gerrymander.

I didn't make it with 2010 data. On my end, it shows 2018. Also, Wake County has to be split, so what is the problem. This map is a 7-7 map.

Because the way you split it is a gerrymander. Wake County should have 1 100% Wake district, and 1 that takes up the rest. Instead, you split the county perfectly in half, so Wake County doesn't get it's own district and you gerrymander a second district D. It's basically the equivalent of splitting Milwaukee.

Who says that Wake has to have 1 100% district? Also, the second district you say is a D one is almost an even district.

A fair map does, because otherwise you're cracking it and ignoring the county COI in the favor of expanding partisan leans. Also, maybe under the composite, but not in practice, as it would be suburban and left trending.

Also, Southern Wake and Johnston are suburbs of Raleigh. So they should stay together.

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Then you can do it like this for all I care. But Johnston should go with Wake.