Politics and Elections in the Netherlands: coalition agreement presented

[Classic Conservative]

This panel is really long and boring.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Why has Schiermonnikoog turnout 130,4%? Tourists?

[mvd10]

Ipsos exit poll, share of vote:

20.6% VVD
12.7% CDA
12.6% D66
12.6% PVV
10.7% GL
  9.3% SP
  6.0% PvdA
  4.0% CU
  3.3% PvdD
  2.7% 50+
  2.0% SGP
  2.0% Denk
  1.3% FvD

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/842109639894413312

Seems like forming a coalition will take a really, really, really long time.

The Dutch will never beat our record. THey can't even beat our turnout record.

Honestly as it stands it seems straighforward. CU-D66-CDA in, PvdA out, Rutte stays PM. Work with the small parties in a minority. DavidB predicted this several pages ago when Wilders was on 30+ seats.

The problem will be D66 and SGP, especially if the euthanasia issue flares up.

I don't think it will be SGP, but the point still stands because CU have to be in there for a centre-right government.
I think they will try to negotiate with 50+ before SGP because they can buy off their electorate and get rid of it fairly easily. CDA and VVD +4 next election. Not sure if they have a majority in the FIrst Chamber.

VVD-CDA-D66-CU has a majority in the senate. I don't think they will try to work with a party like 50plus, I strongly suspect 50plus would walk away when things get hard. The SGP is a fairly reliable partner. And on economic issues the SGP is much closer to D66 than 50plus. CU and maybe even CDA will also demand that progressive legislation on issues like euthanasia will be blocked, so even with 50plus instead of SGP progressive legislation on ethical issues probably won't pass.

[SunSt0rm]

None of the three towns currently reporting are really base areas for the SGP, but why are they down from 2.1% to 0.7%? Seems like an ominous result for them.

Also very unfortunate to see PP currently not improving on the 2012 result...

In 2012, SGP youth made a stunt by send dozens of to these islands to vote there

[SPQR]

I wonder whether the PvdA will be back to 25-30 seats in 4 years if we get a centre-right government. It might happen, but GL will try to become the main left-wing party. I don't think GL's appeal is broad enough for that but we can't rule it out.

And I really can't see how Asscher stays on after losing 29 seats. Dijsselbloem will remain in politics (probably as a MP since I don't think the PvdA will be in government) and I think he has bigger ambitions than being a backbench MP. And they always can appoint Aboutaleb (the very popular mayor of Rotterdam) leader.

Wait, Djissembloem is from PvdA?!?
I always thought he was a right-wing politician given his hawkish budgetary stances...no wonder PvdA is getting slaughtered.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

SGP youth

So many questions...

[DavidB.]

Wait, Djissembloem is from PvdA?!?
I always thought he was a right-wing politician given his hawkish budgetary stances...no wonder PvdA is getting slaughtered.

Hahaha. This may well be the quote of the evening when it comes to the PvdA's loss.

[rob in cal]

   I just read about the Fvd.  Did they attract some former PVV voters? Also, would they be considered viable coalition partners if they had won more seats?  I like how national direct democracy is a key plank of theirs, though I believe D66 is for that too and it doesn't seem as if they've achieved much in spite of being in government over the years.

[mvd10]

SGP youth

So many questions...

Their youth organisation is the second biggest political youth organisation. In fact they probably score better with younger voters.

[DavidB.]

it's amazing for me that a party like D66 which was described - at least in our media over here - a few years ago as kind of reallllly leftish is now seen more like center-center.

Center-center? It's full-on right-wing on economics, but extremely progressive on immaterial issues.

[SunSt0rm]

SGP youth

So many questions...

Its the largest youth political party of the Netherlands.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Fantastic! Please tell me more about SGP Youth; genuinely intrigued...

[DavidB.]

   I just read about the Fvd.  Did they attract some former PVV voters? Also, would they be considered viable coalition partners if they had won more seats?  I like how national direct democracy is a key plank of theirs, though I believe D66 is for that too and it doesn't seem as if they've achieved much in spite of being in government over the years.

They found out they lose referendums and so they don't really support them anymore. Their new "crown jewels" are the donor law, assisted suicide, trans rights etc.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Wait, Djissembloem is from PvdA?!?
I always thought he was a right-wing politician given his hawkish budgetary stances...no wonder PvdA is getting slaughtered.

Hahaha. This may well be the quote of the evening when it comes to the PvdA's loss.

It's the post of the month at least, perhaps of the year so far. Perfection.

[mvd10]

Asscher is speaking now.

[ApatheticAustrian]

I always thought he was a right-wing politician given his hawkish budgetary stances...no wonder PvdA is getting slaughtered.

wouldn't associate that so directly....some countries are much more fiscal conservatives than others and still got a left-right divide on many issues.

[jaichind]

How fast will results come in?  We had nothing  new for a while now.

[Lachi]

Schiermoonikoog and Vlieland has seen the PvdA vote. collapse

[ApatheticAustrian]

Center-center? It's full-on right-wing on economics, but extremely progressive on immaterial issues.

that's what i meant...left-right seems to divide itself out in this party.

guess it not depends on who likes whom and what are the priorities.....right-wing economics should make it easier for everyone.

btw.....if the SGP youth is so big.....can i imagine them as some kind of alt-righters or other provocateurs?


what's btw your personal opinion re: the results?

[Zinneke]

  I just read about the Fvd.  Did they attract some former PVV voters? Also, would they be considered viable coalition partners if they had won more seats?  I like how national direct democracy is a key plank of theirs, though I believe D66 is for that too and it doesn't seem as if they've achieved much in spite of being in government over the years.

*warning* potentially biased answer

Its their right-wing crypto-conspiracy theories that make them somewhat popular with people who are perhaps tired of Wilders' antics.  I wouldn't take the FvD's talk of direct democracy very seriously. Its like Orban or Kacsinski's movements. Their ''referenda'' are worthy of the Soviet regimes that preceded them.

I always thought he was a right-wing politician given his hawkish budgetary stances...no wonder PvdA is getting slaughtered.

wouldn't associate that so directly....some countries are much more fiscal conservatives than others and still got a left-right divide on many issues.

This. NL is a net contributor to the EU budget, and its protestant culture makes debt something very badly seen upon. schuld means both debt and guilt in Dutch.

Asscher is about to resign I think. I know have to admit Samsom would have at least done better because Asscher really ed himself in the debates.

[SunSt0rm]

I wonder whether the PvdA will be back to 25-30 seats in 4 years if we get a centre-right government. It might happen, but GL will try to become the main left-wing party. I don't think GL's appeal is broad enough for that but we can't rule it out.

And I really can't see how Asscher stays on after losing 29 seats. Dijsselbloem will remain in politics (probably as a MP since I don't think the PvdA will be in government) and I think he has bigger ambitions than being a backbench MP. And they always can appoint Aboutaleb (the very popular mayor of Rotterdam) leader.

Wait, Djissembloem is from PvdA?!?
I always thought he was a right-wing politician given his hawkish budgetary stances...no wonder PvdA is getting slaughtered.

He is quite popular, my parents like him, but they are right of the centre

[mvd10]

I don't know much about the SGP youth, but they are no alt-righters. They are just really conservative on social issues. Like the religious right in the US.

[mvd10]

Asscher didn't resign btw. Spekman (the chairman) probably will be gone though.

[Diouf]

  I just read about the Fvd.  Did they attract some former PVV voters? Also, would they be considered viable coalition partners if they had won more seats?  I like how national direct democracy is a key plank of theirs, though I believe D66 is for that too and it doesn't seem as if they've achieved much in spite of being in government over the years.

The Times readers are particularly eager to know what the kingmaker will do now...

[SunSt0rm]

Roemer now

Wonder he will resign or not