SENATE BILL: Atlasia-Israel Defense and Security Cooperation Treaty (VS)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Sponsor: Ben

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote will begin 24 hours after everyone stops talking or 24 hours after a UC request has been entered to waive cloture requirements or after a cloture vote has been held. All this is predicated on the 72 hour minimum debate time expiring or a UC request to waive that has been entered and 24 hours to object has been given. Same as every bill, but since someone asked.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The motion needs to be seconded by another sitting Senator.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

A motion to table has been entered and has been seconded by another Senator.


Senators, a 48 hour vote is now open on the question of whether or not to table the underlying treaty, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain. Passage shall require 2/3rds of those voting to vote in the affirmative, excluding abstentions.


Normally I would post the text of the relevant OSPR section but we have seen it enough and I don't have the OSPR link handy on this back/hip/arm/leg killer machine.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Motion to Table the Atlasia-Israel Defense and Security Cooperation Treaty:

Aye (2): Seatown and Wormyguy
Nay (4): AndrewPA, Ben, Clarence, and Scott
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (4): ILV, NC Yankee, sbane and TJ in Cleve

With 2/3rds of those voting having voted not in the affirmative, the bill has not been tabled and debate shall resume.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Is that all?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators this bill is now at final vote, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Aye

I support this as a supporter of Israel. But with a caveat that this treaty must have in it a clause that that says that the sovreginity of either Israel or Atlasia can not be compromised by the other in the fulfilling of said treaty

Such would had to have been offered as an amendment before the final vote.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote is 5-3 currently.

Seatown and Wormyguy have yet to vote.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

SEATOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Final Passage of the Atlasia-Israel Defense and Security Cooperation Treaty:

Aye (5): AndrewPA, Ben, Clarence, NC Yankee, and TJ in Cleve
Nay (5): ILV, sbane, Scott, Seatown and Wormyguy
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (0):

Vote ends in 15 minutes.


I haven't found a requirement in Article I of the Constitution dealing with Treaties requiring a 2/3rds vote, nor is such in the OSPR. It is possible that such is some obscure place appended to an unrelated matter and thus I missed it. I welcome others to scour the Constitution, OSPR and any related statues as well as collective memories of how these have been done in the past to find out whether this is a tie to be broken by the Veep or a failure to acheive passage.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The problem is that predates the current constitution. But it appears that Jedi treated it like any other piece of legislation. What we would need to do is find out whether or not the second constitution had the same language as the third, to see if the precedent is valid.


Also, I suggest contacting Marokai Blue and anyone else involved in the crafting of this current constitution. I beleive that would also include Senator Ilikeverin, as well as many others.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I plan to be back on tomorrow morning, if no further feedback is given then I shall proceed as best as I understand the precedent and current procedures with regards as to how to handle this.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Final Passage of the Atlasia-Israel Defense and Security Cooperation Treaty:

Aye (5): AndrewPA, Ben, Clarence, NC Yankee, and TJ in Cleve
Nay (5): ILV, sbane, Scott, Seatown and Wormyguy
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (0):

As it appears that no such 2/3rd's requirement exists, I am determined that this is to be treated as any other piece of legislation. Therefore, I am declaring the voted tied, with time having expired on the legislation and the Vice President is thus charged with breaking the tie.

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The directions regarding slots needs updating.

An override has been requested and the question on the floor is whether or not to override the veto of the Atlasia-Israel Defense and Security Cooperation Treaty by President Napoleon. Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain. Passage requires a two-thirds vote in the affirmative.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Aye


The foreign policy positions and views of young liberals today in general are about as conspiratorial and ridiculous as that of the birthers.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Nay, today is not your day bloodthirsty hounds.

This is not a code pink rally, this is a Senate where we should be able to respectfully disagree without resorting to childish name calling and doubting of one's onponent's intentions for supporting a bill, in such a conspiratorial manner. Please refrain from such behavior in the future.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Overriding the Veto of the Atlasia-Israel Defense and Security Cooperation Treaty:

Aye (4): AndrewPA, Ben, Clarence, NC Yankee
Nay (5): Redalgo, sbane, Scott, Seatown, Wormyguy
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (1): TJ in Cleve

The Veto Override has failed.