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« on: February 07, 2012, 04:06:40 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2012, 09:10:52 PM »

There are serious legal and bureaucratic issues faced with implementing gay marriage on a federal and national level.  Even if gay marriage was legalized nationally, it will take several years for gay marriage to be implemented among the many government programs that it effects.  Federal regulators are correct in analyzing how it effects state governments at the local level before deciding if it can be implemented on a federal level.  There are significant legal issues that differ between state and national laws, and while it may seem like happy times for gay marriage supporters, it will be a bureaucratic nightmare for federal employees tasked with enforcing the rules and regulations of spousal agreements. 

Two questions:

How?
Why?

As I've said gay marriage fraud will increase when the better federal benefits get applied.  This will require more social workers and bureaucracies to regulate fraudulent gay marriage, yay big government.  For one thing, the widow pensions for social security are lucrative enticements.  Even for platonic same gender friends, I can see gold-diggers marrying old people just for their pensions.  Other government programs that don't want to implement gay marriage would be the military, which gives free housing to married couples.  Another program that doesn't want to implement gay marriage is homeland security and INS, which does not want to increase their budget to process the green cards, visas, and background checks for gay foreign spouses.  I'm sure there are more government programs affected by gay marriage, but that is why Obama will never support federal gay marriage because he knows that it will create increased budgetary demands that he does not have the resources to pay for.  There are also many catholic hospitals and community programs that will be affected by gay marriage demands, which will likely force them to shut down and close. 

The social and ideological reasons for having state-recognized marriage are not contingent on your bizarre interpretations of balance sheets, thank God, nor anybody else's. Marriage is not there for the budgetary convenience of the government.

That's why the government should play a minimum role in marriage and marriage benefits.  When people are given a lot of benefits by the government, like for marriage, then it becomes the government's fault to support every citizen.  So what becomes a legal partnership contract, also becomes a government contract that requires the government to pay out thousands of dollars to married couples for whatever benefits they wants.  This is big government at its worst. 

The most valuable and lucrative benefit from gay marriage will be a Green Card. 
But how will the government validate what gay marriage is real and what gay marriage is fraudulent?

If we define straight marriage as a relationship between a Man and a Woman that is consummated (the penis ejaculates into the vagina) and produces a biological pregnancy as one of the most common ways to prove a valid straight marriage, barring health problems from either person. 

Can we define gay marriage as merely a Platonic relationship between two men or two women that cannot physically be consummated and cannot physically produce a biological pregnancy?  How is the government and social workers going to decide what is a valid gay marriage and what is a fraudulent gay marriage? 

Therefore, it is my feeling that gay marriage may be possible at the state level, but it will not be valid at the federal level for a long time.  However, there may be instances where certain government programs recognize state-level gay marriages and subsidize married gay couples. 
None of those concerns are specific to same-sex marriage. If anything, the sham marriages are more likely without same-sex marriage because gays are more willing to give away the marriage boat for a friend. Why not if you're never going to be able to use marriage in a legitimate way. I used to work with a lesbian who legally married a Mexican friend to help him with his immigration situation. I doubt very much she would have been willing to do that if she had a chance at a "real" marraige.
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