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The Mikado
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« on: January 13, 2022, 12:39:18 AM »

No--it was a Republican vendetta against FDR. 

Wrong, Congress and state government were dominated by dems at the time, to get 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of states you needed more than vengeful republicans

Also the 22nd amendment does more than 2 term limit, it sets the order of succession

1946 was one of the biggest midterm wins for the out party of all time.

Senate before: 56-39 Dem. Senate after: 51-45 R.
House before: 242-191 Dem. House after: 246-188 R.

This absolutely was a Congress out for blood against Roosevelt and his legacy. Most notably it passed Taft-Hartley OVER TRUMAN'S VETO. Between the giant R majorities and the sizable Southern Dem conservative bloc you can make a strong case for it being the most right wing Congress in American history.
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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2022, 11:05:16 PM »

It was de facto anyway. Assuming some unknown demagogue gets the opportunity to break the two term tradition at some point in an alternate history where Roosevelt doesn't, the opposition would probably make it de jure then. But I can't see any of the post-Roosevelt presidents trying it, also assuming Trump still loses 2020 and doesn't have the opportunity.

I could totally see Bill Clinton going for a third term.
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2022, 11:41:00 PM »

Yes; it was part of a general project aimed at preventing popular movements from any sort of lasting power in American government. The idea that FDR was breaking any sort of tradition by running for a third term is entirely false and easy to debunk as well. The 22nd Amendment was an entirely novel idea.

No idea how much of this is true, but a point in its favor worth mentioning is that America, beyond the first thirty years or so, never really had regular two-term presidents until after the 22nd Amendment was passed. This isn't cause and effect--party rotation became more regularized, and leaders started living longer. The only three I can think of that served a full eight years and nothing but are Jackson, Grant, and Wilson, and at least one of these had third term aspirations. America was a nation of one-term, assassinated, or accidental presidents, combined with either quick party rotation in office or long periods of one-party presidential rule.

Madison could've easily run again in 1816, if you want to go far back, and given the mortal weakness of the Federalist Party, he would've won easily if he did. Madison lived a GOOD long time in his post-presidency and was in much better health than the other ex-Presidents ended up being in.

Of course, Madison was hardly possessor of a...flawless...Presidency, but then again, who can judge what we would 've done against the might of the British Empire in the 1810s?

Anyway, I think out of the early Presidents, he's far and away the most likely to try. Washington and Monroe were in poor health on leaving their second terms and Jefferson...very clearly was OK with moving on. He just wouldn't have tried.
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