Italian Elections and Politics 2022 - Our Time to Schlein

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Well, Roma people generally are not integrated with the rest of the society. At least in case of Poland the mechanism looked like this: in the sixties govt decided to ban nomadism and Roma people had to settle what was not really natural for them as they used to wander freely around the country (and not only). Until that moment they were always aliens to other nationalities, contacts were limited to some trade and parties (as Roma also used to be employed as musicians before II World War, as for now Roma music is still distinct music genre). There were a lot of negative stereotypes - as always with isolated, hermetic groups which about general populace do not know much. On the other hand many stereotypes are unfortunately true. Roma people generally have problem to get normal jobs as they are perceived as thieves (data is not easily accessible but generally in that case stereotype is reflection of reality) - but this is also self-enforcing stereotype because when some member of Roma community want to get job employer who knows that he or she is a Roma will not employ him. Also often Roma people make begging as their main source of income. The bigger social problems with Roma are obviously in countries like Slovakia (infamous Lunik XI https://www.google.pl/search?q=lunik+IX&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiy9pCkjd_bAhVIApoKHVB9B4w4FBD8BQgKKAE&biw=1707&bih=808), Hungary, Bulgaria or Romania where Roma population is the biggest and obviously anti-Roma sentiments are the strongest. I guess due to former nomadic lifestyle Roma people do not have any sort of need for taking care of their homes, as I seen some Roma districts also in Poland there were a lot of kitsch and dirt. Similarly cultural issues did not let them easy to live a lifestyle of the rest of society. Also Roma societies are strongly patriarchal and isolated, with strong distinction of Roma and non-Roma what also does not help with integration. There are a lot of conflicts in towns where there is strong Roma minority. But obviously there are Roma people who live normal, ordinary people lives. There are also positive stereotypes about Roma people, mainly those oriented around their freedom and musicality as people tend to romanticize times of Roma nomads. But negative ones dominate, and unfortunately they are often true.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

How much Zingaretti can be treated as seriously centre-left candidate? I've seen his program which was ok, I know who supports him and I do not have positive opinion about Italian political system and that makes me doubt that he will be any plausible alternative to Renzi or his opponents in open primary.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Zingaretti smashed, 65-70% of votes. According to media almost 1,8 milion people voted.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Renzi defects and starts his own party, taking about 20 deputies and 10 Senators with him. He will continue support Conte in the short term he says. Long term the parliamentary Math becomes a bit more tight for Conte. Polls have Renzis Party at some 5%.

Can't he just disappear for the sake of rotting corpse of European left?

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

(they still have this whole ritual about drinking the Po's water)

Like, what?

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

(they still have this whole ritual about drinking the Po's water)

Like, what?

I am still amazed.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

So Emilia-Romania and Calabria today. Probably the first one is more interesting. Is there any chance of local coalition between left and M5S in Emilia?

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

The centre-left, if they win, won't even need M5S. The winning coalition effectively has a guaranteed majority.

Just started to read about regional electoral system. Should done it earlier lol

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Vittorio Sgarbi's political career!
NB: I am probably missing something.

- A self described liberal.
- Despite not living in the Marche at all, in 1990 he accepted a PCI candidacy for the municipal council of Pesaro, then backed down and accepted one for the PSI in the small town of San Severino Marche, where he was elected.
- Between 1992 and 1993 he even became mayor of the latter town thanks to DC and MSI votes (mayors were not elected directly in Italy back then)...
- ...but in the meantime he had been elected Deputy with PLI at the 1992 election [in Sardinia]!
- In 1994 he was re-elected Deputy with Forza Italia [in Calabria] but he spent all the legislature sitting in the mixed group.
- In 1996 again he was elected to the Chamber in the FI lists [in Friuli-Venezia Giulia] but inscribed in the mixed group.
- In 1999 he briefly stopped his crazy wandering and ran for mayor of his hometown of Ferrara and for MEP from the North-East, both with Forza Italia. He was only elected to the latter.
- He left Bruxelles when in 2001 he was again re-elected Deputy with FI [in Veneto].
- He became Undersecretary of Cultural Heritage in the Berlusconi II government but he had, uhm, strong opinions on the matter and he was removed from the post after a year.
- Sgarbi then ran in the 2004 European election with whatever was left of the PRI (not even came close to being elected).
- In 2005 he switched to the centre-left and decided to run in the 2006 parliamentary election with a small centre-left list, but this time his luck ran out...
- ...but he also stipulated an agreement with the centre-right candidate for mayor of Milan, and when she was elected he became assessore [i.e. member of the municipal executive] for cultural heritage.
- In 2008 he was removed from the post but he did a honey badger move and just ran for mayor of the Sicilian village of Salemi with a centrist coalition and was elected.
- He resigned from that in 2012 and then the municipal administration was dissolved and commissioned because apparently some of the people who had supported his candidacy were using him as a cover and were doing affairs with the mafia behind his back.
- He then ran for mayor of another Sicilian town, Cefalù, in the same year, without getting elected.
- He spent the following years flipping between various assessore offices around the country.
- In 2017 he founded his own political movement called Rinascimento [Renaissance], and also had an upgrade to member of a regional executive, being nominated assessore of cultural heritage of Sicily.
- It only lasted some months because in 2018 he came back home and ran for Deputy with Forza Italia. He ran in a single-member constituency in Campania, where he was destroyed by the M5S tide (precisely by Luigi Di Maio himself lmao), but also in the proportional lists... in the Modena-Ferrara constituency finally! He was elected from the latter.
- In 2018 he also ran for mayor of the small town of Sutri in Lazio, because of course he did, and won. He then - surprise surprise - switched from FI to the mixed group in the Chamber.
- In 2020 he was the FI list leader in the Emilia-Romagna regional election. He was elected but never took his seat because he preferred to remain in Parliament.

In this very moment Vittorio Sgarbi is the mayor of Sutri, and a member of the Chamber of Deputies.
He is also a murmured 2021 candidate for a) mayor of Rome b) mayor of Milan c) president of Calabria.
Of course, as you can guess he spends way more time explaining art and going to talk shows than administering Sutri. However one notable thing he did is that apparently he tried to ban mask wearing in Sutri last August *eyeroll*

EDIT: Forgot to add that apparently in 2018 his reasoning for moving to the mixed group again was "I invited Silvio to Sutri to celebrate my election but he didn't come. Hrumph ".

Pure gold, love that guy.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

From 1 to 100, how this modern PSI is just a corruption-nepotist scheme and not a real, left-wing political party? (inb4 all Italian political parties are corruption schemes).

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

From 1 to 100, how this modern PSI is just a corruption-nepotist scheme and not a real, left-wing political party? (inb4 all Italian political parties are corruption schemes).

If you mean Riccardo Nencini's PSI, I don't believe it is meaningfully left-wing or a meaningful party at all, but I have no idea how corrupt it is.

I guess the point is that in order to be corrupt you need to get into power first there

Well, you can be corrupt even having one town councillor on your side tbh

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

The new government of far-right PM Giorgia Meloni has said it will make staging unlicensed raves a crime, hours after stopping one in northern Italy.

The new crime of "invasion for dangerous gatherings" of more than 50 people would attract up to six years in jail and opens up the possibility of wiretapping rave organisers.

A thousand ravers were ordered to leave a warehouse rave in Modena on Monday.

"The party's over!" declared far-right minister Matteo Salvini.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63468598

the Mussolini march had not disrupted public order and had been happening for years

damn, the wording of that

*chef's kiss*