Trumpcare Megathread: It's dead (for now)

[Shadows]

Rand Paul makes the case for Single payer - Bigger the group, more the leverage & lower the price & individuals should be allowed to form groups, scrap the forced work attached insurance & have large groups negotiating the terms of insurance.

CNN reporter asks him aren't you making the case for Single payer, the biggest possible group with the lowest possible prices negotiating together. Rand Paul - Socialism sucks, look at Venezuela, I don't want
Gulag blah blah !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53UEkpONzXs

[GeorgiaModerate]

NPR/Marist poll has the Senate bill at 17/55 approve/disapprove: http://www.npr.org/2017/06/28/534612954/just-17-percent-of-americans-approve-of-republican-senate-health-care-bill

[ApatheticAustrian]

If Senators from KANSAS can't support the bill right now, i guess this is either really elaborated kabuki or they are going to need a looooooot of time resolving this.

and even the current bill wouldn't be approved in the house mister meadows mused.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Trump is beyond clueless.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/us/health-care-bill-trump-pence.html?_r=0&mtrref=t.co

Who knew healthcare would be so complicated?

[The Mikado]

So Sean Spicer tweeted this out today.



I think that arguing that you're fixing the problem by raising the number of uninsured from 28 million to 50 million is a...courageous line to take on this.

[The_Doctor]

"And in today's news, the Trump administration came out for single payer, stunning news observers. House and Senate Republicans swiftly fell in line, however, and extolled the virtues of single payer as the rabid Republican base suddenly discovered the virtues of single payer."

[GeorgiaModerate]

"And in today's news, the Trump administration came out for single payer, stunning news observers. House and Senate Republicans swiftly fell in line, however, and extolled the virtues of single payer as the rabid Republican base suddenly discovered the virtues of single payer."

This is...not all that implausible.

[Virginiá]

Trumpcare Is a Giant Slush Fund

https://newrepublic.com/article/143584/trumpcare-giant-slush-fund

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[Ban my account ffs!]

This was the fear all along.

These vindictive Republican states would take the money to pay for tax cuts on their wealthier citizens.  It is truly diabolical.

[Virginiá]

This was the fear all along.

These vindictive Republican states would take the money to pay for tax cuts on their wealthier citizens.  It is truly diabolical.

One thing I've noticed about politicians/govt officials in general is that if you don't want them to do something, you need to specifically forbid it by law. Otherwise, eventually at one point or another you'll find someone abusing it. This is doubly so when it comes to Republicans and something like healthcare money. Of course they are going to spend it on other things - and like you said, most likely tax cuts for wealthy people, assuming they haven't already slashed those down to basically nothing. Republicans already don't want the government helping people with things like that, but giving states a loophole like this is even worse, as states are easier for wealthy people and corporations to control.

[ProudModerate2]

If this is still a valid idea after they return from their July 4th recess, I see more Rep Senators jumping-ship, not less.

[Yank2133]

I do wonder if McConnell and the rest of the GOP was actually surprise to see Heller bail. Because it seems like he has been the catalyst for all this.

[ApatheticAustrian]

seems like it is coming apart.

several senators now complaining about the tax cuts for the rich.

how is the freedom caucus going to swallow that?

[The_Doctor]

seems like it is coming apart.

several senators now complaining about the tax cuts for the rich.

how is the freedom caucus going to swallow that?

Which senators? What's the twitter saying?

[Mr. Morden]

seems like it is coming apart.

several senators now complaining about the tax cuts for the rich.

how is the freedom caucus going to swallow that?

Which senators? What's the twitter saying?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-28/key-republicans-want-to-scrap-health-bill-s-tax-cuts-for-wealthy

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[Person Man]

seems like it is coming apart.

several senators now complaining about the tax cuts for the rich.

how is the freedom caucus going to swallow that?

Which senators? What's the twitter saying?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-28/key-republicans-want-to-scrap-health-bill-s-tax-cuts-for-wealthy

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Somehow it just isn't sexy to just cash in social programs.

[The_Doctor]

seems like it is coming apart.

several senators now complaining about the tax cuts for the rich.

how is the freedom caucus going to swallow that?

Which senators? What's the twitter saying?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-28/key-republicans-want-to-scrap-health-bill-s-tax-cuts-for-wealthy

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I see GOP Senators are now in "kill the bill" phase. If they phased out these cuts they might as well as keep the ACA, right? It will be interesting to see what Mitch McConnell decides to do in response by Friday.

Axing these tax cuts would probably kill the bill in the House too. Which seems the point too. These senators are being vocal about the tax cut side, which implies they're no longer interested in negotiation but in killing the bill. Tax cuts are integral to the point of repeal.

[Mr. Morden]

seems like it is coming apart.

several senators now complaining about the tax cuts for the rich.

how is the freedom caucus going to swallow that?

Which senators? What's the twitter saying?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-28/key-republicans-want-to-scrap-health-bill-s-tax-cuts-for-wealthy

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I see GOP Senators are now in "kill the bill" phase. If they phased out these cuts they might as well as keep the ACA, right? It will be interesting to see what Mitch McConnell decides to do in response by Friday.

Axing these tax cuts would probably kill the bill in the House too. Which seems the point too. These senators are being vocal about the tax cut side, which implies they're no longer interested in negotiation but in killing the bill. Tax cuts are integral to the point of repeal.

As I said in another thread yesterday, it's quite possible that "Obamacare repeal" is dead, and yet, this bill wasn't really Obamacare repeal, and many of its provisions could show up again in different incarnations in either the 2018 budget or in "tax reform".  I mean, the main provisions of this bill are a tax cut and a Medicaid cut.  Both of those could come back on their own, just not packaged together as something that's being touted as "Obamacare repeal".

[ProudModerate2]

According to a Trump adviser, Trump had no idea that Medicaid and Medicare were 2 separate programs. He thought they were the same thing.

God help us.

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

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...I must be in lalaland.

[Hindsight was 2020]

According to a Trump adviser, Trump had no idea that Medicaid and Medicare were 2 separate programs. He thought they were the same thing.

Trump is literally a stupid RW sh*tposter you'd see on Twitter or a RW websites comment section except he has the nuclear launch codes

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

According to a Trump adviser, Trump had no idea that Medicaid and Medicare were 2 separate programs. He thought they were the same thing.

EnglishPete?  Naso?  Sanchez?  Thomas Jackson?  Defend this because I'd love to see how such blatant goddamn ignorance can be spun in a positive light.

[ProudModerate2]

According to a Trump adviser, Trump had no idea that Medicaid and Medicare were 2 separate programs. He thought they were the same thing.

EnglishPete?  Naso?  Sanchez?  Thomas Jackson?  Defend this because I'd love to see how such blatant goddamn ignorance can be spun in a positive light.

Oh don't challenge them.
They can absolutely "spin" it.
But whether you and I fall for their bs, is entirely a different matter.

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

According to a Trump adviser, Trump had no idea that Medicaid and Medicare were 2 separate programs. He thought they were the same thing.

EnglishPete?  Naso?  Sanchez?  Thomas Jackson?  Defend this because I'd love to see how such blatant goddamn ignorance can be spun in a positive light.

Oh don't challenge them.
They can absolutely "spin" it.
But whether you and I fall for their bs, is entirely a different matter.

Still, bonus points if their explanation doesn't have the word "winning" fitted somewhere.

[ApatheticAustrian]

trump talked with collins and paul and both of them think he is on their side now...


 Trump to warring GOP senators: I'm on your side
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/28/trump-health-care-paul-collins-240065