Gallup: Biden takes a big hit from Democrats after Israel events

[Farmlands]

https://news.gallup.com/poll/513305/democrats-ratings-biden-slip-overall-approval.aspx

His approval among Ds has dropped from 86% to 75%, his lowest ever. The only similar decline was in late 2021, with the Virginia governor and BBB failures. To be fair, it could be due to other factors, but it seems like a fair conclusion, after Dems became more pro-Palestine than pro-Israel earlier this year.

[7,052,770]

Anyone who feels more sympathy for mass murdering terrorists than their victims, innocent civilians from a democracy who has been our close ally for decades, should go ahead and leave the party anyway.

[jojoju1998]

Anyone who feels more sympathy for mass murdering terrorists than their victims, innocent civilians from a democracy who has been our close ally for decades, should go ahead and leave the party anyway.

Hot take :

American Academia is more skeptical towards Israel  because they are stuck in a Cold War mentality, where Israel is seen as a puppet regime of the United States, and imperialism is bad.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Anyone who feels more sympathy for mass murdering terrorists than their victims, innocent civilians from a democracy who has been our close ally for decades, should go ahead and leave the party anyway.

Hot take :

American Academia is more skeptical towards Israel  because they are stuck in a Cold War mentality, where Israel is seen as a puppet regime of the United States, and imperialism is bad.

No it’s cause they view the entire world through the narrow oppressor vs oppressed minority lense which is completely absurd but because of that back Palestine .

[jojoju1998]

Anyone who feels more sympathy for mass murdering terrorists than their victims, innocent civilians from a democracy who has been our close ally for decades, should go ahead and leave the party anyway.

Hot take :

American Academia is more skeptical towards Israel  because they are stuck in a Cold War mentality, where Israel is seen as a puppet regime of the United States, and imperialism is bad.

No it’s cause they view the entire world through the narrow oppressor vs oppressed minority lense which is completely absurd but because of that back Palestine .

And they view America as the biggest oppressor of all, which is my point.

[7,052,770]

Anyone who feels more sympathy for mass murdering terrorists than their victims, innocent civilians from a democracy who has been our close ally for decades, should go ahead and leave the party anyway.

Hot take :

American Academia is more skeptical towards Israel  because they are stuck in a Cold War mentality, where Israel is seen as a puppet regime of the United States, and imperialism is bad.

No it’s cause they view the entire world through the narrow oppressor vs oppressed minority lense which is completely absurd but because of that back Palestine .

Even though that lens, I'd say it was pretty oppressive for Hamas to commit half a 9/11 (or like 20 9/11s per capita) on Israeli civilians a couple weeks ago.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Anyone who feels more sympathy for mass murdering terrorists than their victims, innocent civilians from a democracy who has been our close ally for decades, should go ahead and leave the party anyway.

Hot take :

American Academia is more skeptical towards Israel  because they are stuck in a Cold War mentality, where Israel is seen as a puppet regime of the United States, and imperialism is bad.

No it’s cause they view the entire world through the narrow oppressor vs oppressed minority lense which is completely absurd but because of that back Palestine .

And they view America as the biggest oppressor of all, which is my point.

It is completely ridiculous too . If academia thinks we were the bigger oppressor in the Cold War then that’s further proof it’s left wing propaganda

[PSOL]

Honestly, the Israel-Palestine conflict is being used as an excuse to find a socially acceptable way to not like Biden. These problems were always bubbling up but now many have a way out of being a social pariah.

Unlike before the midterms, the Supreme Court won't be trying to damn Republican's electoral chances, so Biden is screwed.

[Inmate Trump]

Morons.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

I'm genuinely not surprised, and I really couldn't disagree with PSOL's take enough. Among the grassroots I've seen very real anger at Biden dismissing the death toll of Palestinians in a pretty callous way. I'm not saying that all the criticism is justified but I absolutely see it and believe it's real. And conflating all of it with 'you must support Hamas, or the death of innocent Israelis!' is disingenuous and to be honest in my estimation only drives the sentiment further. Especially among young people.

[Roll Roons]

Disgusting. These people could hand the White House to an unhinged criminal because Biden isn't an anti-Semite.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Anyone who feels more sympathy for mass murdering terrorists than their victims, innocent civilians from a democracy who has been our close ally for decades, should go ahead and leave the party anyway.

What about the innocent Palestinian civilians who have been killed? There are more of them now than Israelis killed on 10/7, if that’s what matters (and I think from a humanitarian perspective it doesn’t *not* matter).

[emailking]

I think Biden has been handling this pretty well and it's not like he's dismissing the Palestinians, he's been a restraining force on Israel and it allowed the water to come back on, the aid trucks to get in, and may be why the ground invasion hasn't happened yet. Anyway, these people are probably just mad and I think will probably support him again later in the year or at least once the news is Trump trials 24/7 next year.

[7,052,770]

Anyone who feels more sympathy for mass murdering terrorists than their victims, innocent civilians from a democracy who has been our close ally for decades, should go ahead and leave the party anyway.

What about the innocent Palestinian civilians who have been killed? There are more of them now than Israelis killed on 10/7, if that’s what matters (and I think from a humanitarian perspective it doesn’t *not* matter).

How do we know? The Palestinian authorities have already been caught lying about deaths and responsibility.

[GP270watch]

 Americans don't want war or to pay for other people's wars. Biden has been seen as more hawkish than even Trump. Trump was smart to engage in military conflict in a targeted way(he was no dove) but avoid headline grabbing invasions and paying for your allies war efforts or even self defense. I'm only talking about Trump's optics on foreign policy and not how disastrous he actually was.

 We are moving towards austerity talk and Americans already feel like they're being nickel and dimed to death in their everyday lives. Hearing about tens of billions of dollars of spending bills here and there for Ukraine and Israel is not popular and will only get less popular as U.S. politicians start to talk about spending cuts and government shutdowns at home. Can't claim brokenness when you got hundreds of billions of dollars of corporate welfare for people to buy weapons.

[Fubart Solman]

Anyone who feels more sympathy for mass murdering terrorists than their victims, innocent civilians from a democracy who has been our close ally for decades, should go ahead and leave the party anyway.

What about the innocent Palestinian civilians who have been killed? There are more of them now than Israelis killed on 10/7, if that’s what matters (and I think from a humanitarian perspective it doesn’t *not* matter).

How do we know? The Palestinian authorities have already been caught lying about deaths and responsibility.

With all of the bombings, I would seriously doubt that the number of Gaza residents killed is lower than the number of Israelis killed or kidnapped in the first days of the conflict. Take Hamas’s numbers as you will (and I agree in general that they shouldn’t be trusted), it doesn’t pass the smell test that fewer Gazans have been killed since the start.

That being said, I think that it’s passed time for Israel to pull out. They had the moral high ground when they started, but I don’t think that they do anymore. I’m not really sure how to solve the Gaza issue though. Not completely embargoing them probably would’ve reduced tensions, but it’s obviously too late for that now.

I appreciate that Biden and his administration have been working to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza.

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

Anyone who feels more sympathy for mass murdering terrorists than their victims, innocent civilians from a democracy who has been our close ally for decades, should go ahead and leave the party anyway.

That’s an oversimplification and a strawman. Most people who are critical of Likud are not pro-Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist organization and Likud are habitual war criminals. Both of these can be, and are, true. The ones deserving sympathy are the civilians being kidnapped and bombed because they were born between demagogical regimes.

[Horus]

Anyone who feels more sympathy for mass murdering terrorists than their victims, innocent civilians from a democracy who has been our close ally for decades, should go ahead and leave the party anyway.

What about the innocent Palestinian civilians who have been killed? There are more of them now than Israelis killed on 10/7, if that’s what matters (and I think from a humanitarian perspective it doesn’t *not* matter).

How do we know? The Palestinian authorities have already been caught lying about deaths and responsibility.

With all of the bombings, I would seriously doubt that the number of Gaza residents killed is lower than the number of Israelis killed or kidnapped in the first days of the conflict. Take Hamas’s numbers as you will (and I agree in general that they shouldn’t be trusted), it doesn’t pass the smell test that fewer Gazans have been killed since the start.

That being said, I think that it’s passed time for Israel to pull out. They had the moral high ground when they started, but I don’t think that they do anymore. I’m not really sure how to solve the Gaza issue though. Not completely embargoing them probably would’ve reduced tensions, but it’s obviously too late for that now.

I appreciate that Biden and his administration have been working to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza.

Israel could bomb Gaza until every single building is gone and people like Harry would still question if anyone had died.

[7,052,770]

Anyone who feels more sympathy for mass murdering terrorists than their victims, innocent civilians from a democracy who has been our close ally for decades, should go ahead and leave the party anyway.

What about the innocent Palestinian civilians who have been killed? There are more of them now than Israelis killed on 10/7, if that’s what matters (and I think from a humanitarian perspective it doesn’t *not* matter).

How do we know? The Palestinian authorities have already been caught lying about deaths and responsibility.

With all of the bombings, I would seriously doubt that the number of Gaza residents killed is lower than the number of Israelis killed or kidnapped in the first days of the conflict. Take Hamas’s numbers as you will (and I agree in general that they shouldn’t be trusted), it doesn’t pass the smell test that fewer Gazans have been killed since the start.

That being said, I think that it’s passed time for Israel to pull out. They had the moral high ground when they started, but I don’t think that they do anymore. I’m not really sure how to solve the Gaza issue though. Not completely embargoing them probably would’ve reduced tensions, but it’s obviously too late for that now.

I appreciate that Biden and his administration have been working to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza.

Israel could bomb Gaza until every single building is gone and people like Harry would still question if anyone had died.

That's just a ridiculous and foolish thing to say. When have I ever questioned if "anyone" had died? I'm sorry I can't be the made up caricature you want me to be

[7,052,770]

Anyone who feels more sympathy for mass murdering terrorists than their victims, innocent civilians from a democracy who has been our close ally for decades, should go ahead and leave the party anyway.

That’s an oversimplification and a strawman. Most people who are critical of Likud are not pro-Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist organization and Likud are habitual war criminals. Both of these can be, and are, true. The ones deserving sympathy are the civilians being kidnapped and bombed because they were born between demagogical regimes.

I have as much sympathy for innocent Palestinian civilians who have been killed or hurt as a result of this as anyone here. Note that "innocent Palestinian civilians" does not include anyone who is part of Hamas or an active supporter of it.

Remember that I have 20 years of posting history that shows how critical I am of Israeli far right and racist parties that their voters keep electing, so I don't need any educating there. None of that changes that this conflict is entirely the fault of Hamas and its brutal and unprovoked acts of terrorism (literally half a 9/11 on a country that's like 2% our size) and Hamas and its supporters will now have to live with the consequences.

[Tekken_Guy]

I don’t think we have enough evidence to clearly cite Israel as the cause for Biden’s recent approval drop.

[Landslide Lyndon]

I don’t think we have enough evidence to clearly cite Israel as the cause for Biden’s recent approval drop.

Occam's razor isn't cool enough for the pro-Hamas crowd.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Anyone who feels more sympathy for mass murdering terrorists than their victims, innocent civilians from a democracy who has been our close ally for decades, should go ahead and leave the party anyway.

What about the innocent Palestinian civilians who have been killed? There are more of them now than Israelis killed on 10/7, if that’s what matters (and I think from a humanitarian perspective it doesn’t *not* matter).

How do we know? The Palestinian authorities have already been caught lying about deaths and responsibility.

With all of the bombings, I would seriously doubt that the number of Gaza residents killed is lower than the number of Israelis killed or kidnapped in the first days of the conflict. Take Hamas’s numbers as you will (and I agree in general that they shouldn’t be trusted), it doesn’t pass the smell test that fewer Gazans have been killed since the start.

That being said, I think that it’s passed time for Israel to pull out. They had the moral high ground when they started, but I don’t think that they do anymore. I’m not really sure how to solve the Gaza issue though. Not completely embargoing them probably would’ve reduced tensions, but it’s obviously too late for that now.

I appreciate that Biden and his administration have been working to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza.

Israel should not pull out

[heatcharger]

Israel should not pull out

Instant classic

[Horus]

Israel should not pull out

Instant classic

Beat me to it lol