Is Long Island/Upstate New York a part of New England?

[TheReckoning]

What would you say? I can’t help but feel upstate New York is pretty similar to Vermont, while Long Island is pretty similar to Massachusetts.

[Хahar 🤔]

This is like asking whether East St. Louis is a part of Missouri. The boundaries of New England are not a matter of debate.

[TDAS04]

No.

Even if the the boundaries of New England weren’t definite, Long Island is more like New Jersey than Massachusetts.

[Torie]

No, and the vibe changes as you go over the crest of the Taconic Mountains from Columbia County, NY into the Housatanic Valley in the Berkshires. It's another world really.

[dpmapper]

You could maybe argue for the North Country.  But everything else... absolutely not. 

[Oryxslayer]

Long Island before the arrival of Robert Moses was absolutely a part of cultural New England. The comparative isolation of the region left Long Island the domain of small farmers, fishermen in the sleepy south shore small ports, and Gilded Age elites in their north shore summer mansions.

But not today, not by a long shot.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Was bronz obsessed with cops and blue collar workers in New England?

There's your answer.

[Atlas Force]

Was bronz obsessed with cops and blue collar workers in New England?

There's your answer.

LOL

[ProgressiveModerate]

No, and the vibe changes as you go over the crest of the Taconic Mountains from Columbia County, NY into the Housatanic Valley in the Berkshires. It's another world really.

Ye if one just looks at an election result map, they'll see a huge divide between the VT/MA and NY border. NY's rurals still are less red than PA though so it's this weird middle ground between New England and normal eastern US rurals

[Gracile]

Obviously not lol. New England has the most defined boundaries of any region of the US.

[BigZuck08]

No.

[CookieDamage]

No. Historically, a lot of New Englanders settled on the island in the 17th century. I'm not sure how many Dutch settlers lived on the island. However nowadays it's certainly apart of the Mid Atlantic.

[Fuzzy Bear]

New York and New Jersey were part of the Dutch Colony of New Netherlands.

[GregTheGreat657]

As an Upstate resident, no. My part of Upstate, for example, tends to have a more Midwest feel than a New England one, for example many ppl (especially older ones) tend to speak far more like someone in Michigan would than someone, in say, Boston would, or Long Island for that matter. Also Long Island was settled by the Dutch, while New England was settled by English Puritans.

[SInNYC]

No, LI is populated by NYCers who want to live in suburbs but cant afford the nicer ones (I'm not saying there aren't nice suburbs in LI).

A stronger case can be made for the Hudson Valley above Yonkers being part of New England, and there are indeed a few who classify it as New England. But that classification seems to be dying nowdays.

[Orser67]

No, but for parts of Upstate New York, I think there's a decent case for treating it as part of a "greater New England". Other states receive more discussion regarding being part of multiple regions (e.g. PA), but I think different parts of New York fit best into the mid-Atlantic (NYC area), New England (the northeastern parts of upstate New York), and the Midwest (the western parts of upstate New York).

[Vice President Christian Man]

You can argue that North Country is an extension of Northern NE and suburban NY has somewhat of a NE feel (especially Westchester County) but it's too conservative as a whole. It's definitely Northeastern but it has too much of an anti-Yankee influence quite ironically for it to count especially during the 1800's.