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Atlas Has Shrugged
ChairmanSanchez
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« on: April 17, 2015, 02:07:13 PM »

Restrictive immigration policies literally kill people.
No, a few crazies on a boat kill people. Not the greater immigration policy. Hopefully all onboard will be packed off back home to face trial for murder in their native country.
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ChairmanSanchez
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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2015, 02:15:25 PM »

Restrictive immigration policies literally kill people.
No, a few crazies on a boat kill people. Not the greater immigration policy. Hopefully all onboard will be packed off back home to face trial for murder in their native country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrant_deaths_along_the_Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_border


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_boat_people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Christmas_Island_boat_disaster

I'm going to assume that your position is predicated on ignorance rather than malice.
First, I should note that my post was not completely finished; I meant "all onboard who were involved" but that somehow never made it into my post. So consider that part as "ignorance."

As for the deaths of migrants attempting to illegally enter any nation, I'd say the fault is entirely their own. It's illegal to jump onto trains and catch a ride for a reason, and when people get killed here in the states, the fault lies with the victim. Illegal immigrants are no different in that regard. If you take a risk to violate a nations laws, don't be surprised when you are injured or punished upon arrival-if they even make it.

I hold no malice for illegal immigrants, and I understand why they come in the face of the dangers, but I am not going to pin a medal on them for breaking immigration laws and risking their own life in the process.
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ChairmanSanchez
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2015, 03:11:26 PM »

Ah, where to begin with this gem of a post.
I'm not trying to convince you otherwise but I'd certainly consider that to be a kind of malice. There's nothing inherently unethical or immoral about breaking the law: if a mother owned an illegal handgun in Europe or Latin America and used it to protect her children from an abusive father, I doubt you'd be proclaiming that her imprisonment "is the fault of her own". I could list of litany of examples. My claim is that laws create frameworks for behavior and action. Therefore, laws/statues and the enforcement of laws/statutes are indirectly responsible for a lot of death and misery throughout the world. This is why collective action matters.
Your logic is flawed; the woman in the example that you gave me was defending herself from an aggressor. If there was no aggressive party, there would be no shooting. So let us take an illegal immigrant from Mexico as an example. Say this illegal immigrant wants to flee the drug war that is destroying his nation. He decides to risk his life by traveling illegally to the United States. How is it that breaking American laws help him fight off the aggressive party? I don’t believe that the problems of Mexico are the problems of America, and therefore, we as a nation have no stake in his problems. So why should we admit him to our country and allow him to reap the benefits of our country when he doesn’t even give the courtesy of allowing the government to know that he is existing in the country?

Illegal immigrants, if processed properly, are not illegal. I welcome migrant workers and support a path to citizenship. But anyone who refuses to go through the process and jumps ahead in the line is selfish, and yes, by definition of the law, criminal.

So yes, I think you are filled with malice and hate towards undocumented immigrants. That or you're an amoral spergbot who cannot empathize with those who've experienced more suffering in a week than you'll experience in your entire life. It's one thing to suggest that immigration should be controlled and that undocumented immigrants should be deported. It's quite another thing to state that you have no sympathy for these people. That's bordering on sociopathy. I don't trust anyone who does not feel the slightest bit of sympathy for a person who has had their life ruined for reasons that are beyond that person's control.
Spergbot? That’s almost as funny as making Mexican jokes, now is it? I’m glad you sink that low so quickly. I naturally will sympathize with those who *try* to do the right thing rather than selfishly skip ahead and enter the United States. Illegal immigrants make the choice to come to America. They don't have to make such a dangerous journey, but they choose too. You don’t have to trust me; you shouldn’t trust me, because I’d be happy to see any of these people deported in a heartbeat.

Again, I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. You can believe what you want about this issue but don't expect me to respect your position.
That’s fine. I don’t respect your position or you as a person. You are the moral equivalent of the ISI protecting Osama Bin Laden; you have no regard for the rule of law, and that is important for a truly free society. 
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