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« on: April 03, 2016, 11:37:06 PM »

She seems like she is running scared even though she is clearly ahead.  It makes me worry about her ability to campaign effectively against other opposition.
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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2016, 03:58:42 PM »

She's saying she feels sorry for young people who believe his lies that she's too close to the fossil fuel industries. She's right, and I agree with her: Bernie is selling snake oil to these naive college kiddies who obviously are "resonating" with his message of free college, free pot, free everything! Most younger voters are more moved by fancy speeches and empty rhetoric than impressive resumes with experience and substance (see 2008 for a reference). That's why they're going so strongly for Bernie: they like hearing terms like revolution, free this, free that, and are turned off by Hillary because she speaks like a policy wonk and lays out the details. I heard a coworker of mine once say, "Of course the younger voters are going to vote for Bernie. He's saying what they want to hear and she's not."

You and your candidate just ooze contempt for those who don't support her.

Yeah, yikes.  That was a painful read.

It must be boring to constantly have to refer to "FREE STUFF" like some sort of nutty right-winger.  If Hillary Clinton had even the vaguest appreciation for why people are sick of political debates being constrained by the terms Ronald Reagan set 30 years ago, she wouldn't be making ridiculous comments like this.  But she's a terrible politician and seems to be continuously snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.  This doesn't sound like a candidate who is 220 delegates ahead.  You don't refuse to debate Donald Trump because you don't like his "tone."

Why did Hillary Clinton stop taking donations from private prisons if those donations don't influence her politically?
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2016, 04:07:28 PM »

It must be boring to constantly have to refer to "FREE STUFF" like some sort of nutty right-winger. 

You're right, it's not free at all. He will need to raise taxes for everyone.
But he conveniently forgets to mention that fact.

If you think US tax rates are too high, I want some of what you're smoking.
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2016, 04:16:16 PM »

It must be boring to constantly have to refer to "FREE STUFF" like some sort of nutty right-winger.  

You're right, it's not free at all. He will need to raise taxes for everyone.
But he conveniently forgets to mention that fact.

If you think US tax rates are too high, I want some of what you're smoking.

That's a nice straw-man you built there.

I'll ask it again, since you seem to want to respond to everything without actually adding anything substantive: why did Hillary Clinton stop taking donations from private prisons if the donations don't influence her political decision making?
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2016, 04:22:26 PM »

And that relates to my initial post exactly how?

So, just so we're clear, you have nothing to add to this discussion other than a snipe about taxes going up under Sanders' policies?

It makes me question why you bothered to post at all if you weren't going to address something related to the thread.
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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2016, 04:24:25 PM »

And that relates to my initial post exactly how?

So, just so we're clear, you have nothing to add to this discussion other than a snipe about taxes going up under Sanders' policies?

Yeah, just that inconsequential matter.

So what does that have to do with the thread, exactly?
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2016, 04:31:59 PM »

Um, it was you who moaned about people talking about Bernie promising free stuff.
I just corrected the record.

You haven't corrected any record at all.  Are you really so dense as to assume that a seasoned poster on this forum doesn't understand the relationship between taxation and spending?

You've added nothing to this conversation except contributed to an unpleasant atmosphere.  You have no insight, no worthwhile analysis, not even a humorous comment.  You bring nothing to the table.
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2016, 04:37:51 PM »

If she decided to stop taking the donations because they were influencing her decisions, it means she's reflective enough to understand when she's being bought and takes the appropriate actions to neutralize this problem. Great! Since she apparently has good judgement on these matters, I trust that she has used the same criteria to determine that her Wall Street donors are, in fact, not actually influencing her! Yay!

On the other hand, it could have nothing to do with buying influence at all and simply be that she rejected the money because people were making too big a stink about it and she didn't want to deal with the drama, even though in reality it's a non-issue. She doesn't do the same with Wall Street because unfortunately she does need the money. The good thing is, she's shown that she doesn't let this money influence her and actually uses it to help support other Democrats.

Just so I can make sure I understand you correctly, the negligible (in comparison to her Wall Street donors) amount from private prisons could have been influencing her, so she demonstrated good judgement in refusing the donations, but when the amount increases, that is no longer an opportunity to demonstrate good judgement?

I agree that the second scenario is more likely - of course she made the decision to end the pointless drama over private prisons, but if you don't see how that raises questions about her acceptance of donations from other sources, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Um, it was you who moaned about people talking about Bernie promising free stuff.
I just corrected the record.

You haven't corrected any record at all. 

So, you believe that Sanders will not raise taxes to everyone and not just the rich?

If you can find where I said that, or anyone else said that in this thread, you will get a gold star!
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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2016, 04:44:27 PM »

Um, it was you who moaned about people talking about Bernie promising free stuff.
I just corrected the record.

You haven't corrected any record at all. 

So, you believe that Sanders will not raise taxes to everyone and not just the rich?

If you can find where I said that, or anyone else said that in this thread, you will get a gold star!

So if what I said is true what exactly is your problem?

I beg your pardon, and I really do not wish to continue conversing with you, but you've corrected nothing and made no true statements.  You made an implication that I think Sanders will raise taxes only on the rich, which again, I invite you to display where I said that.  You don't seem to understand that you are trying to pull off this discussion onto a tangent that is unrelated to the original topic.  There is no "gotcha" here.
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