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mileslunn
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« on: October 21, 2017, 01:54:06 PM »

From what I understand, some 70% voted for Center-Right parties (which would be even more than the 58% in Germany and 63% in Austria).

That depends on how you define them.  If you use the European definition true, if you use the British/Canadian one social democratic/Green parties on left, liberals in the centre, and conservatives on the right while the American is conservatives on the right everyone else on the left.  Otherwise using the Anglo-Saxon one, I have Germany at 46% right wing, yes the FDP tilts to the right but they are sort of a mix of social and classical liberals and I think under Guido Westerwelle they were more pro free market like the VVD in Netherlands and Venestre in Denmark, but now more like the D66 and Liberal Democrats in UK.  The left in Germany I have at 39% and the rest in the centre or close to.

For Austria I have 58% right wing, 35% left wing as Neos seems fairly centrist, maybe somewhat market oriented but on the political spectrum similar to where Jean Chretien and Paul Martin were in Canada, Bill Clinton in the US and even Barack Obama to some extent, as well as Nick Clegg in the UK.

For Czech Republic, ANO 2011 I put as centre as their ideology seems incoherent but basically they seem to be all things to all people so we probably won't know until they govern which they are.  I consider STAN centrist and even KDU-CSL is pretty centrist too.

Mind you in North America our right is a lot more dogmatic than in Europe and tends to have little tolerance for those who don't tow the line.  Someone like Michael Chong who was considered a liberal plant in the Tories would probably sit to the right of most mainstream centre-right parties in Europe save the far right and be similar to Theresa May and David Cameron on the political spectrum.  Likewise in the US John Kasich who many called a RINO would sit to the right of all mainstream right wing parties in Europe although not as right wing as the far right ones.  So I think right vs. left is more perspective although agree this year it seems in most European elections the country as a whole shifted rightwards.  UK, Malta, and Norway were the only ones who stayed with the status quo (Yes centre-right won, but their share of the popular vote fell while Labour Party fell but their centre-left bloc went up mind you the biggest increase came for the Centre Party who as its name says is a centrist one).  In UK the overall government may still be on the right, but Labour in contrast to other social democratic parties saw big gains in votes and did so running on a strongly left wing platform vs. a more moderate one so wouldn't be surprised if social democratic parties elsewhere in Europe try to mimic Sanders and Corbyn to gain amongst the youth.  Whether it will work or not is a different story.  Malta stayed on the left while Iceland next week might be the first case of a European country swinging leftward but we shall see and with how fragmented the parties are there we might not know until the New Year or later who forms government.
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mileslunn
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2017, 01:55:23 PM »

Babis says he is reaching out to all the party leaders of the new parliament, and hopes a new government can be in place quickly. He also underlines that ANO is a pro-European party, and that Czechia will remain a solid part of EU and NATO. But he says the idea of a two-speed EU and new integration plans should stop.

So he's saying the same things that Kurz said after the election ...

I don't know that makes someone right wing, a lot of parties on the further left are Eurosceptic too so I think amongst the establishment one who doesn't fully embrace the EU is considered right wing but not sure that is true amongst average voters.  In UK, many Labour voters voted to leave.
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2017, 09:43:38 PM »

Currently, I have:

71% Right (ANO, TOP09, ODS, SPD, STAN, KDU-CSL, Svobodni, Realists, ROZUMNI)
27% Left (Pirates, Social Dems, Communists, Greens)
  2% Others (with less than 0.5% each)

Sorry, but putting KDU-CSL, STAN or TOP in the same basket as SPD is stupid.

They are all Right-wingers though. Some more, some less.

STAN is probably more centrist than right wing.  Even KDU-CSL is pretty close the centre while ANO 2011 is tough to pin down.  Top 09 and ODS are definitely on the right at least would be in most countries although if you used American definitions only SPD, Svobodni, Realist, and Rozumi would qualify as right wing.  Right wing vs. left wing varies depending on country.  In many European countries the Democrats would be considered a party on the right, yet in the US most consider them on the left.  Heck here in Canada, while most agree the Conservatives are on the right and NDP on the left, if you ask an NDP supporter they say Liberals on the right, ask a Liberal they say they are in the centre, ask a conservative, they say they are on the left.
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