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« on: June 01, 2018, 11:00:59 AM »

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/390154-clinton-allies-open-to-backing-warren-for-president-in-2020

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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2018, 11:04:46 AM »
« Edited: June 01, 2018, 11:08:33 AM by YE »

Anyone who supports Warren over Sanders just because he’s not a Democrat is a partisan hack. There are valid reasons to support Warren over Sanders but that isn’t one of them.

Edit: reading it over I think they’re fine with Warren since she was loyal to Clinton. So I guess that’s a form of hackery but I just find the you’re not a Democrat line of attack towards Sanders really empty and annoying. We vote for elections on issues not party.
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2018, 02:09:51 PM »

Anyone who supports Warren over Sanders just because he’s not a Democrat is a partisan hack. There are valid reasons to support Warren over Sanders but that isn’t one of them.
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2018, 02:17:19 PM »

This is just pathetic. Bernie has been part of the Democratic caucus and supported every Democratic Presidential nominee long before Warren stopped being a Republican.
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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2018, 02:46:10 PM »

This is just pathetic. Bernie has been part of the Democratic caucus and supported every Democratic Presidential nominee long before Warren stopped being a Republican.

Good to see the attack lines are already being polished for 2020.

But yes, this doesn't surprise me; Clinton has picked up such a diverse range of 'allies' (e.g anyone who's worked with her) that it's not that unlikely to imagine lots of staffers and other types supporting her. As someone who supported Clinton in 2016, I could easily see myself supporting Warren.

The only people who wouldn't support Warren would be the weird type of Democrats who'd claim that she's 'anti-business'.
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2018, 04:03:03 AM »

Good to see that Adam Pachinko Machine still has journalists that will talk to him - I'd be worried that he'd be terribly lonely if that weren't the case Sad
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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2018, 11:25:37 AM »

2020 will be a re-do.  A democratic socialist non-Democrat vs. a former liberal Republican female elitist with a major phony streak.

It's not just Hillary Clinton I can't stand.  It's that slimy John Podesta.  It's that whiny Jen Palmieri.  It's that snot-nosed Robby Mook.  It's the whole slew of Clintonistas that represent the Democratic Party's morphing into the party of elitist latte faux liberalism where they will drop everything for someone's right to an abortion or their right to trans (regardless of age), but will do nothing to significantly reverse the flow of more and more money to fewer and fewer people.  The avant garde fringe social issues are front and center with these folks, while the needs of working families get lip service.

No, thank you.  That's a faux solution to the problems of working folks.

While I have mixed feelings about Bernie Sanders, I'd love for him to crush Warren at this point, if THIS is the cast of characters she's going to run with.
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2018, 11:30:39 AM »

We vote for elections on issues not party.

That was the case in the 1960s, not 2010s.
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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2018, 12:36:24 PM »

2020 will be a re-do.  A democratic socialist non-Democrat vs. a former liberal Republican female elitist with a major phony streak.

It's not just Hillary Clinton I can't stand.  It's that slimy John Podesta.  It's that whiny Jen Palmieri.  It's that snot-nosed Robby Mook.  It's the whole slew of Clintonistas that represent the Democratic Party's morphing into the party of elitist latte faux liberalism where they will drop everything for someone's right to an abortion or their right to trans (regardless of age), but will do nothing to significantly reverse the flow of more and more money to fewer and fewer people.  The avant garde fringe social issues are front and center with these folks, while the needs of working families get lip service.

No, thank you.  That's a faux solution to the problems of working folks.

While I have mixed feelings about Bernie Sanders, I'd love for him to crush Warren at this point, if THIS is the cast of characters she's going to run with.

Warren has her own professional, somewhat insular, staff and inner circle. These are drowning rats looking for another ship. Look at the language used to describe who these people are.

Aside from the one anonymous "Clinton Aide" these are the people that even the Clintons kept at arms' length. Adam Pachinko Machine famously longs for attention that the Clintons never give him. And what, half the quotes in this article are him and the spokesman for his PAC? Grifters and cultists are going to be grifters and cultists, but that tells you more about them than the people they cling to.

I understand disliking Warren's play if you're a cultural conservative, but you have to understand that there's an inside and an outside game for populists in the Democratic party. Warren, because she can play the Northeast Liberal Professor role extraordinarily well, has gotten a ton of access to the elements of the national party that are frightened by Bernie. Heck, she basically extracted wholesale carte blanche on banking policy and staffing decisions from Clinton by the end of the primaries. If playing a latte liberal gets you inside the castle gates...
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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2018, 01:49:56 PM »

2020 will be a re-do.  A democratic socialist non-Democrat vs. a former liberal Republican female elitist with a major phony streak.

It's not just Hillary Clinton I can't stand.  It's that slimy John Podesta.  It's that whiny Jen Palmieri.  It's that snot-nosed Robby Mook.  It's the whole slew of Clintonistas that represent the Democratic Party's morphing into the party of elitist latte faux liberalism where they will drop everything for someone's right to an abortion or their right to trans (regardless of age), but will do nothing to significantly reverse the flow of more and more money to fewer and fewer people.  The avant garde fringe social issues are front and center with these folks, while the needs of working families get lip service.

No, thank you.  That's a faux solution to the problems of working folks.

While I have mixed feelings about Bernie Sanders, I'd love for him to crush Warren at this point, if THIS is the cast of characters she's going to run with.

Warren has her own professional, somewhat insular, staff and inner circle. These are drowning rats looking for another ship. Look at the language used to describe who these people are.

Aside from the one anonymous "Clinton Aide" these are the people that even the Clintons kept at arms' length. Adam Pachinko Machine famously longs for attention that the Clintons never give him. And what, half the quotes in this article are him and the spokesman for his PAC? Grifters and cultists are going to be grifters and cultists, but that tells you more about them than the people they cling to.

I understand disliking Warren's play if you're a cultural conservative, but you have to understand that there's an inside and an outside game for populists in the Democratic party. Warren, because she can play the Northeast Liberal Professor role extraordinarily well, has gotten a ton of access to the elements of the national party that are frightened by Bernie. Heck, she basically extracted wholesale carte blanche on banking policy and staffing decisions from Clinton by the end of the primaries. If playing a latte liberal gets you inside the castle gates...

I believe she's a latte liberal at heart.  A real working class advocate would never have felt the need to push that phony Pocahontas crap.
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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2018, 01:53:52 PM »

2020 will be a re-do.  A democratic socialist non-Democrat vs. a former liberal Republican female elitist with a major phony streak.

It's not just Hillary Clinton I can't stand.  It's that slimy John Podesta.  It's that whiny Jen Palmieri.  It's that snot-nosed Robby Mook.  It's the whole slew of Clintonistas that represent the Democratic Party's morphing into the party of elitist latte faux liberalism where they will drop everything for someone's right to an abortion or their right to trans (regardless of age), but will do nothing to significantly reverse the flow of more and more money to fewer and fewer people.  The avant garde fringe social issues are front and center with these folks, while the needs of working families get lip service.

No, thank you.  That's a faux solution to the problems of working folks.

While I have mixed feelings about Bernie Sanders, I'd love for him to crush Warren at this point, if THIS is the cast of characters she's going to run with.

Warren has her own professional, somewhat insular, staff and inner circle. These are drowning rats looking for another ship. Look at the language used to describe who these people are.

Aside from the one anonymous "Clinton Aide" these are the people that even the Clintons kept at arms' length. Adam Pachinko Machine famously longs for attention that the Clintons never give him. And what, half the quotes in this article are him and the spokesman for his PAC? Grifters and cultists are going to be grifters and cultists, but that tells you more about them than the people they cling to.

I understand disliking Warren's play if you're a cultural conservative, but you have to understand that there's an inside and an outside game for populists in the Democratic party. Warren, because she can play the Northeast Liberal Professor role extraordinarily well, has gotten a ton of access to the elements of the national party that are frightened by Bernie. Heck, she basically extracted wholesale carte blanche on banking policy and staffing decisions from Clinton by the end of the primaries. If playing a latte liberal gets you inside the castle gates...

I believe she's a latte liberal at heart.  A real working class advocate would never have felt the need to push that phony Pocahontas crap.

I mean, have you ever talked to anyone from Oklahoma? Family legends like that exist all the time. That particular thing funnily enough has a lot more to do with her time in OK than in MA.
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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2018, 02:07:16 PM »

2020 will be a re-do.  A democratic socialist non-Democrat vs. a former liberal Republican female elitist with a major phony streak.

It's not just Hillary Clinton I can't stand.  It's that slimy John Podesta.  It's that whiny Jen Palmieri.  It's that snot-nosed Robby Mook.  It's the whole slew of Clintonistas that represent the Democratic Party's morphing into the party of elitist latte faux liberalism where they will drop everything for someone's right to an abortion or their right to trans (regardless of age), but will do nothing to significantly reverse the flow of more and more money to fewer and fewer people.  The avant garde fringe social issues are front and center with these folks, while the needs of working families get lip service.

No, thank you.  That's a faux solution to the problems of working folks.

While I have mixed feelings about Bernie Sanders, I'd love for him to crush Warren at this point, if THIS is the cast of characters she's going to run with.

Warren has her own professional, somewhat insular, staff and inner circle. These are drowning rats looking for another ship. Look at the language used to describe who these people are.

Aside from the one anonymous "Clinton Aide" these are the people that even the Clintons kept at arms' length. Adam Pachinko Machine famously longs for attention that the Clintons never give him. And what, half the quotes in this article are him and the spokesman for his PAC? Grifters and cultists are going to be grifters and cultists, but that tells you more about them than the people they cling to.

I understand disliking Warren's play if you're a cultural conservative, but you have to understand that there's an inside and an outside game for populists in the Democratic party. Warren, because she can play the Northeast Liberal Professor role extraordinarily well, has gotten a ton of access to the elements of the national party that are frightened by Bernie. Heck, she basically extracted wholesale carte blanche on banking policy and staffing decisions from Clinton by the end of the primaries. If playing a latte liberal gets you inside the castle gates...

I believe she's a latte liberal at heart.  A real working class advocate would never have felt the need to push that phony Pocahontas crap.

So you honestly think she's fighting like hell to prevent Wall Street deregulation just for the sake of appearing progressive and if she were to get elected, she'd govern as a corporate Democrat? I realize you despite the culturally liberal aspects of the Democratic Party, but you should at least appreciate the work she's done as a professor and as senator fighting for consumer protections. I also think you're jumping the gun on Pocahontas a bit. Isn't it possible she honestly could have thought she had Indian heritage and turned out she didn't? It's one thing to distrust the Clintons, who actually over 20-30 years have a repeated track record of dishonesty that stem far beyond the email scandal, but thinking Elizabeth Warren is a phony just based on that alone is the opposite of giving someone the benefit of the doubt.
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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2018, 02:15:43 PM »

2020 will be a re-do.  A democratic socialist non-Democrat vs. a former liberal Republican female elitist with a major phony streak.

It's not just Hillary Clinton I can't stand.  It's that slimy John Podesta.  It's that whiny Jen Palmieri.  It's that snot-nosed Robby Mook.  It's the whole slew of Clintonistas that represent the Democratic Party's morphing into the party of elitist latte faux liberalism where they will drop everything for someone's right to an abortion or their right to trans (regardless of age), but will do nothing to significantly reverse the flow of more and more money to fewer and fewer people.  The avant garde fringe social issues are front and center with these folks, while the needs of working families get lip service.

No, thank you.  That's a faux solution to the problems of working folks.

While I have mixed feelings about Bernie Sanders, I'd love for him to crush Warren at this point, if THIS is the cast of characters she's going to run with.

Warren has her own professional, somewhat insular, staff and inner circle. These are drowning rats looking for another ship. Look at the language used to describe who these people are.

Aside from the one anonymous "Clinton Aide" these are the people that even the Clintons kept at arms' length. Adam Pachinko Machine famously longs for attention that the Clintons never give him. And what, half the quotes in this article are him and the spokesman for his PAC? Grifters and cultists are going to be grifters and cultists, but that tells you more about them than the people they cling to.

I understand disliking Warren's play if you're a cultural conservative, but you have to understand that there's an inside and an outside game for populists in the Democratic party. Warren, because she can play the Northeast Liberal Professor role extraordinarily well, has gotten a ton of access to the elements of the national party that are frightened by Bernie. Heck, she basically extracted wholesale carte blanche on banking policy and staffing decisions from Clinton by the end of the primaries. If playing a latte liberal gets you inside the castle gates...

I believe she's a latte liberal at heart.  A real working class advocate would never have felt the need to push that phony Pocahontas crap.

So you honestly think she's fighting like hell to prevent Wall Street deregulation just for the sake of appearing progressive and if she were to get elected, she'd govern as a corporate Democrat? I realize you despite the culturally liberal aspects of the Democratic Party, but you should at least appreciate the work she's done as a professor and as senator fighting for consumer protections. I also think you're jumping the gun on Pocahontas a bit. Isn't it possible she honestly could have thought she had Indian heritage and turned out she didn't? It's one thing to distrust the Clintons, who actually over 20-30 years have a repeated track record of dishonesty that stem far beyond the email scandal, but thinking Elizabeth Warren is a phony just based on that alone is the opposite of giving someone the benefit of the doubt.

I must confess I go back and forth on her.

I think about the ancestry.com commercial about the guy who was always told he was German, only to find out he was not German at all.  I certainly believe that can happen.  Warren BENEFITTED from the claim that she was Native American, however, and in a tangible way.  Now it's true that all of that may be an honest mistake; she is originally from Oklahoma, and it's hardly impossible.  But she handled the situation like a poser, as far as I'm concerned.  And her explanation is, in many ways, too cute by half.

In truth, I was just beginning to warm up a bit to her, when I read about the Clintonistas signing up in the Warren Brigade.  The Clintonistas have a long track record of shaping the Democratic Party into something other than a working class party (you know, THAT Democratic Party, the one that actually helped working people once upon a time).  I'm not going to judge Warren entirely by the company she keeps, but that's part of it, and this wasn't a promising start.
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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2018, 02:32:17 PM »

2020 will be a re-do.  A democratic socialist non-Democrat vs. a former liberal Republican female elitist with a major phony streak.

It's not just Hillary Clinton I can't stand.  It's that slimy John Podesta.  It's that whiny Jen Palmieri.  It's that snot-nosed Robby Mook.  It's the whole slew of Clintonistas that represent the Democratic Party's morphing into the party of elitist latte faux liberalism where they will drop everything for someone's right to an abortion or their right to trans (regardless of age), but will do nothing to significantly reverse the flow of more and more money to fewer and fewer people.  The avant garde fringe social issues are front and center with these folks, while the needs of working families get lip service.

No, thank you.  That's a faux solution to the problems of working folks.

While I have mixed feelings about Bernie Sanders, I'd love for him to crush Warren at this point, if THIS is the cast of characters she's going to run with.

Warren has her own professional, somewhat insular, staff and inner circle. These are drowning rats looking for another ship. Look at the language used to describe who these people are.

Aside from the one anonymous "Clinton Aide" these are the people that even the Clintons kept at arms' length. Adam Pachinko Machine famously longs for attention that the Clintons never give him. And what, half the quotes in this article are him and the spokesman for his PAC? Grifters and cultists are going to be grifters and cultists, but that tells you more about them than the people they cling to.

I understand disliking Warren's play if you're a cultural conservative, but you have to understand that there's an inside and an outside game for populists in the Democratic party. Warren, because she can play the Northeast Liberal Professor role extraordinarily well, has gotten a ton of access to the elements of the national party that are frightened by Bernie. Heck, she basically extracted wholesale carte blanche on banking policy and staffing decisions from Clinton by the end of the primaries. If playing a latte liberal gets you inside the castle gates...

I believe she's a latte liberal at heart.  A real working class advocate would never have felt the need to push that phony Pocahontas crap.

So you honestly think she's fighting like hell to prevent Wall Street deregulation just for the sake of appearing progressive and if she were to get elected, she'd govern as a corporate Democrat? I realize you despite the culturally liberal aspects of the Democratic Party, but you should at least appreciate the work she's done as a professor and as senator fighting for consumer protections. I also think you're jumping the gun on Pocahontas a bit. Isn't it possible she honestly could have thought she had Indian heritage and turned out she didn't? It's one thing to distrust the Clintons, who actually over 20-30 years have a repeated track record of dishonesty that stem far beyond the email scandal, but thinking Elizabeth Warren is a phony just based on that alone is the opposite of giving someone the benefit of the doubt.

I must confess I go back and forth on her.

I think about the ancestry.com commercial about the guy who was always told he was German, only to find out he was not German at all.  I certainly believe that can happen.  Warren BENEFITTED from the claim that she was Native American, however, and in a tangible way.  Now it's true that all of that may be an honest mistake; she is originally from Oklahoma, and it's hardly impossible.  But she handled the situation like a poser, as far as I'm concerned.  And her explanation is, in many ways, too cute by half.

In truth, I was just beginning to warm up a bit to her, when I read about the Clintonistas signing up in the Warren Brigade.  The Clintonistas have a long track record of shaping the Democratic Party into something other than a working class party (you know, THAT Democratic Party, the one that actually helped working people once upon a time).  I'm not going to judge Warren entirely by the company she keeps, but that's part of it, and this wasn't a promising start.

Yes, if her campaign is going to have a lot of Clinton people in it, count me out. They are bad people.
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2018, 02:36:55 PM »

I hope she doesn’t run for President. Don’t get me wrong, I agree with (almost) all of her policy positions. She just comes across as one of the weakest 2020 candidates. The Pocahontas thing is going to be a drag for her, regardless of how idiotic it is.
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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2018, 02:41:16 PM »

Warren BENEFITTED from the claim that she was Native American, however, and in a tangible way. 
How?
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2018, 06:04:45 PM »

This suggests to me that the pseudo factions of the Democratic Party, the "Clinton wing" and the "Sanders wing," will not carry over into the 2020 election. That is a good thing.
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