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Unconditional Surrender Truman
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« on: January 22, 2018, 05:29:25 PM »

I agree with your assessment of Jefferson's views, but will say that I don't think it's much different than the rhetoric used my many today in arguing against protectionism. Economic conservatives/libertarians believe in pro-free market policies, not pro-business policies. Government should not take a proactive role in protecting business, giving them special favors/protections. etc. Government simply should get out of the way and let businesses succeed or FAIL on their own.
Such has not been the case historically, however. Opposition to government intervention in the economy as a matter of principle is a relatively new phenomenon; in Jefferson's day, the battle over the tariff was waged between manufacturers in one corner, who favored a strong tariff to protect their interests, and an alliance of farmers and southern planters in the other, who opposed the tariff for the same self-interested reason. The former represented the Hamiltonian faction who organized as the Federalist Party and later merged with Henry Clay's "National" Republicans to become the Whig Party in the 1830s—and by every meaningful standard, they represented the conservative element in the politics of their time. Jeffersonian support for free trade sprung from the same well of distrust for centralized power, whether political or financial, that inspired their admiration for the French Revolution. Theirs was not a principled support for the free market, but a reflexive opposition to the expanding power of big business, which they saw as an existential threat to the republican nature of the United States much in the same way progressives today talk about campaign finance reform.
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Unconditional Surrender Truman
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2018, 03:51:44 PM »

The former represented the Hamiltonian faction who organized as the Federalist Party and later merged with Henry Clay's "National" Republicans to become the Whig Party in the 1830s—and by every meaningful standard, they represented the conservative element in the politics of their time.
To help substantiate that we could quote Clay arguing against Van Buren's claim that people looked too much to the government for help: "We are all—people, States, Union, banks—bound up and interwoven together, united in fortune and destiny, and all, all entitled to the protecting care of a paternal government."

The American System of economics that Clay promoted clearly had more in common with modern "big government" investments in infrastructure as practiced by FDR and JFK.

And yet, as you note, Clay represented the forces of conservatism in his time. Even Soviet historians classed Jefferson and Jackson as belonging to the left-wing of American political life in their times, whereas the Federalists and Whigs represented the right-wing.
And therein lies the problem with equating conservatism with support for limited government—tactics are not synonymous with motives, and acting as if they are can lead one to some very dubious conclusions.
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