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« on: May 01, 2016, 06:16:37 PM »

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Says the Trump voter. Explains it all, really. If you don't believe principles are a thing. Wink
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2016, 07:25:22 PM »

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Would Trump back Cruz?
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2016, 07:28:36 PM »

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So let me get this straight. You expect Trump to not support a sitting, Republican senator for the State of Texas, but you do expect Cruz to support Trump, 'for the unity of the party'.

At least you're honest that Trump demands respect he is unwilling to reciprocate.
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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2016, 07:35:11 PM »

After Trump gets Hillaryslided in the general, Cruz will been seen quite differently.

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Trump's sitting at 37 percent. There has never been a GOP nominee with fewer than 50 percent in the modern primary system.

The majority of the GOP has spoken and they have rejected Trump. The argument, "but he'd win a national primary" doesn't hold, because every state, and every republican had an opportunity to vote Trump, and the majority chose someone else.

If I'm looking at that total, I'd be saying that the will of the GOP was for a contested convention to hammer out a better nominee.

Trumpbots seem determined to destroy the party just to see their candidate through. Plenty of us are gonna stand by and watch the Trumptanic sink.
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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2016, 07:44:07 PM »

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That's a good question. Dole, McCain and Romney were all weak candidates. Dole won 58 percent support from the primary in his year, McCain and Romney both drew 52 percent.

I was surprised when I ran the numbers, and realized that the key for Republicans seems to be around 60 percent in a nomination.

Trump has 37 percent.

The problem with both McCain and Romney is that they were historically weak GOP candidates. The party hasn't really had a strong nominee since Bush Jr, and even that was a narrow run thing.

Trump is a symptom of a much longstanding problem within the Republican party. There is a great divide between the NYC party - the so-called GOP elite. I was surprised that there's not been a single republican nominee that has lost New York. Not one.

So you have a great and widening gap between the core of the party and the NE.

The solution is going to blow wide open. Goldwater was a seminal GOP movement, where the party decided that it had to change in order to become competitive. The same is here. The GOP is going to lose it's democrat NE wing of the party, which is more at home voting Democrat than Republican.

Simply because the core of the party has always been its conservative base. If they go the other way, the Republican party will go the way of the Whigs and be relegated to a historical footnote, while the core shops around and finds something more to their liking.
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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2016, 07:46:24 PM »

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McCain won about the same percentage of Republican primary voters, 52. Trump is historically the worst GOP nominee in the history of the party.

And it's less because of the Conservative/Liberal divide, but because, Trump is a historically weak GOP nominee.
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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2016, 08:07:00 PM »

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Trump will have the lowest percentage in the history of the GOP.
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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2016, 08:16:26 PM »

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It means that history is predicting a Hillaryslide in November vs Trump. The numbers were real eyeopening to me.

Quite simply, yes some of the folks voting against Trump will come out to vote for him, but enough of them are soured off the nominee (and his supporters), that they will stay home in November.

Hillary's just going to turn 100 percent negative and run an LBJ vs Goldwater campaign. And.. she'll win rather easily.
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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2016, 08:20:53 PM »

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Very good question. One, his support is higher than Trump. That should be reason alone to support Cruz over Trump.

Two, I'm not a Cruz supporter. I came over to Cruz because I believed he was the best candidate standing. I was somewhat reluctant, but seeing the walking disaster that is Trump, I really had no choice. I looked at the data, and after South Carolina realized what was happening with Rubio and how Rubio couldn't win.

So.. Thus Cruz.

For me the convictions matter most. Is Cruz a conservative? Yes. I believe a conservative can win, and we've had two losing elections with folks who were 'winners', who, surprise, surprise, lost in November. It's time for a red-meat Conservative.

Trump is just more of the same with the additional disaster that he's a democrat.

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At the cost of every prolifer out there. We're all sitting it out if Trump is the nominee. We have no reason to vote GOP if Trump changes the platform.  
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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2016, 09:32:42 PM »

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That's a good question - because they didn't get behind Cruz in Iowa. Had they done so, this would have been over a long time ago.

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I knew Romney was in trouble when white middle class friends in Texas were remarking about how he was like a car salesman and they didn't trust him.

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When he came out in favor of changing the platform the day after winning in New York. Why would we support Judas?
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2016, 02:32:53 AM »

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McCain went the distance vs Bush. Ron Paul went the distance vs Romney. Usually a strong nominee will manage to clear the field by actually beating them.

Cruz has already won 12 states (including North Dakota), which is a record. Trump won't get a majority because he waited until April to rack up his first. Nothing more nor less.
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