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J.R. Brown
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« on: March 29, 2005, 09:55:48 PM »

Remember the thing in Atlanta a few weeks ago where a man took a gun away from the bailiff and killed the judge.

Well, on CNN they had a judge on who said if there were no guns in the courtroom that bailiff could definitely detain them. With guns however, it would be more difficult. Guns don't always work for self-defense. What if the person you are defending yourself against takes the gun away from you.

Guns were created for killing, period. Not self-defense. Killing. I'm against devices that are made for killing. If I'm attacked, I'll instictively fight for my life with all of my natural strength, but without a gun. If I may be killed. So be it. It was my fate and you can't get around that.
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J.R. Brown
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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2005, 10:07:54 PM »

Remember the thing in Atlanta a few weeks ago where a man took a gun away from the bailiff and killed the judge.

Well, on CNN they had a judge on who said if there were no guns in the courtroom that bailiff could definitely detain them. With guns however, it would be more difficult. Guns don't always work for self-defense. What if the person you are defending yourself against takes the gun away from you.

Guns were created for killing, period. Not self-defense. Killing. I'm against devices that are made for killing. If I'm attacked, I'll instictively fight for my life with all of my natural strength, but without a gun. If I may be killed. So be it. It was my fate and you can't get around that.

Now you don't even want cops to have guns? Yeah, that's a real brilliant move.
Of course I want cops to have guns. Are you some sort of moron. The man said bailiffs in a closed courtroom. You know closed one-on one confrontation. And I didn't say it chief, the experienced courtroom bailiff said it.

Why do you people want guns anyway. Don't give me that self-defense crap. I bet you yearn to kill. You just hope and pray everyday that you'll be able to use your oozy on some jackass who decides to rob you.
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J.R. Brown
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2005, 10:32:55 PM »

Remember the thing in Atlanta a few weeks ago where a man took a gun away from the bailiff and killed the judge.

Well, on CNN they had a judge on who said if there were no guns in the courtroom that bailiff could definitely detain them. With guns however, it would be more difficult. Guns don't always work for self-defense. What if the person you are defending yourself against takes the gun away from you.

Correct me if I'm wrong on the following. It must be noted that the bailiff was a woman. Nothing against women in the police force and such, but those in a position where large, strong male suspects may need to be detained should be physically strong enough to do so. That was not the case here. Now, the guns in court could be argued either way, but that also needs to be a considered factor in this kind of case before leaping to a universal conclusion.

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/001765.htm for more opinions on that.

Also, there are devices nowadays that could have been used to prevent such a thing. A proper holster could have prevented it. Or, alternatively, bailiffs could use 'smart guns' which require some sort of magnetic or electronic transmission ring or bracelet that allows only the legal owner of the gun to actually fire it(though some people complain about possible failure of these).

Now, I also want to note I never claimed guns to be a universal defense - nothing is foolproof. I only claim that for self-defense, they are the best method practically available.

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Remember, defenders can create weapons of death for defense. Many weapons are developed for that reason - protecting the lives of those the makers value. Now, like any tool, guns can be used by good or evil forces. Remember though, if there were no evil people in the world, guns would be pretty much unnecessary in today's society. Fact is though, there are evil people, and when push comes to shove I'd rather that decent people be able to defend themselves against evil. Your life should be held in higher regard than that of someone who does not value life - so you should do everything you can to fight for it, and that includes using a gun. At least get a stun-gun, and a tazer for if that fails, Rutzay - it's better than your bare hands, and neither were made for killing.

Also, I must remind you that in the majority of cases where a gun is used in self-defense, the gun is not even fired - the criminal will run away. If a shot is fired, it is usual still that the criminal is not harmed - it's a miss or a warning and the criminal will run.

You'd be surprised what a woman can do against a 250 pound man. My mother has worked on a psyche ward for 20 years and has had to take down many large, violent men.

Basically we need stronger more effective procedures for obtaining a gun so these criminals can't get them. Criminal backgrounds along with psychological evaluations. Even the most normal looking person may have some subconscious rage that may force that person to snap and use a gun to release that rage. I know this may prevent regular citizen's from get guns, but the most important thing is that we make it more difficult for criminals.

We also need tougher penalty's for offenders who use guns to commit crimes, and especially for those who sell guns illegally. as a deterent for staying away from guns. We need more cops, stronger undercover units that speciallize in taking guns away from those that obtain illegal weapons and sell them to known offenders.




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J.R. Brown
Rutzay
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2005, 10:47:42 PM »

2002 National Center for Injury Control Report

United States

Homicide with a Firearm:
All races, both sexes

Ages 15-24
Homicide: Ranked 2nd Among Injury's for that group
 Firearm  4,317 82.7%
 Cut/Pierce 425 8.1%

Ages 25-34
Homicide: Ranked 3rd
Firearm-3,465 77.2%
Cut/pierce-499 11.1%

I also found this site. I thought it was pretty interesting.
http://www.ichv.org/Statistics.htm
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J.R. Brown
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2005, 10:50:10 PM »

Oh, and Rutzay, since you refuse to get a gun, I still recommend you get one of these:

http://www.futuretechsafety.com/Taser_Products.htm

and one of these

http://www.futuretechsafety.com/Stun_Master.htm

While I have said that these aren't as good as a handgun, they don't generally kill, were not designed to do so, and are a decent means of self-defense for someone like yourself whom refuses to get a gun for any reason.
I think I'll take my chances with nothing but my bare hands or a the baseball bat under my bed.
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J.R. Brown
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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2005, 10:56:04 PM »

We don't have many troubel areas here in Iowa City, but I'll try. I think I'm pretty safe in my dorm room. We watch each other's backs on my floor. I was just kidding about the bat. However, if someone does get into the dorms somehow and into my room, I could always wack them with my laptop.
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J.R. Brown
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2005, 11:07:11 PM »

...oozy on some jackass who decides to rob you.

Its spelled Uzi actually...

















... And before you say anything no I don't own an Uzi or a gun for that matter. I just know it from  playing Goldeneye 007.

I need to brush up on my gun lingo.
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