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LashedByLeip'sLackeys
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« on: June 13, 2016, 02:58:34 PM »

? Why else would you need an AR-15? Is it a choice weapon for farmers, for hunters? Is it the number one weapon for law enforcement? Is there an Olympic shooting event that requires expert training with an AR-15?

The 2nd Amendment is not defined by farming or hunting, rather it exists to arm the populace against government tyranny in order to protect the rights enumerated in the 1st Amendment:

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2016, 03:58:36 PM »
« Edited: June 13, 2016, 04:10:33 PM by RememberPulse »

So many strawmen, so little time...

a)  "And like every other issue that directly affects LGBT Americans"

Just because guns were used to mass-murder gays (just like guns were used in mass murders of non-gays), doesn't make gun control a gay issue.

b) "Stop pretending you care. Care is not thought, not consolation but action."

Sometimes the only "action" one can take is to attempt to reason with someone and talk them out of doing something wrong.

c) "Your prayers are pointless. I will be a sh**tty atheist on this one; prayer absolves you actually doing anything while still making you feel good."

Is there somewhere in the bible where God instructs believers to make sure no one in a given society can be armed?  If not, then why do you believe it is the Christian's moral prerogative to ban weapons?

Finally, if in response to this incident you hadn't placed gun control and gay rights at the very top of your list of items to rant about, I would be more respectful of your opinion, but the #1 issue/cause/catalyst in this particular incident is radical Islam.  

Radical Islam is the source of the intolerance and lack of respect of the right to life in the Orlando murders.  If you want to place gun-control and gay rights as #2 and #3 on your list of "problems" contributing to this incident, then fine.  But at least legitimize your point of view by stating the #1 obvious cause of the problem of this incident.




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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2016, 04:03:11 PM »

While I'm not quite as on board with this snatching assault weapons as some others are, that well regulated militia clause was more expected to keep the state secure from external threats rather than internal despotism. While the English Bill of Rights of 1689 of which the Second Amendment drew its influence from, did explicitly secure the right to be free from forceful disarmament by the state, the Founding Father's intended the checks and balances of the Federal Republic to keep domestic tyranny at bay, not the arming of its citizens. Mob rule scared the sh**t out of them, they didn't want the masses deciding to burn the system down willy-nilly because of some perceived repression.

Once we attained an organized military, there was no longer a need for a well-regulated militia. I'm all in favor of people wanting to arm themselves, and I'm even willing to grant them their right to be paranoid of government repression. But this whole self-aggrandizing narrative of patriotic duty by excessive self-armament is bogus.

Consider for a moment the fact the Brits had a organized military, yet the Founding Fathers took up arms against it.  So, to say the 2nd Amendment only grants gun rights until the forming of a organized military would make the whole American Revolution hypocritical, would it not?
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2016, 04:41:17 PM »

...if the government really did want to f**k you over and f**k you over good, armed citizens are no match against trained soldiers and their armaments and vehicles.

But you're not understanding the nature of such a battle - it would not be a conflict on a open plain, rather it would be slow grind urban warfare involving the sniping of any occupying force.  In such a scenario, there are enough guns among the US populous to make occupation untenable.
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