Animal Protection Act [LAW'D]

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Once again we find that instead of lobbying Regional gov'ts to make reform we see an attempt to take a bill from one region and enforce it at the national level. I don't see a purpurse in getting the federal gov't involved in this so:


NAY

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I'm sorry Bacon King, but this bill does require an amendment.  Section 2 identifies "the Mideast", where it appears "Atlasia" was the intended text.  I believe this was brought up previously in discussion, but the change was never made.  I request a halt to the vote so this change can be written into the bill.

I contacted Bacon King, asking him to change that, but in order to do so, would he have to restart the vote as well?

Yes he would.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Once again we find that instead of lobbying Regional gov'ts to make reform we see an attempt to take a bill from one region and enforce it at the national level. I don't see a purpurse in getting the federal gov't involved in this so:


NAY

Nice of you to join us, after the final vote started...

It kind of bugs me that you won't express your concerns before the vote, to give supporters of this bill a chance to answer your concerns. Badger and I, as co-author's, don't know your problems with it if you just stay mum until the vote.

Well sorry, I have been busy these last few days.

Also, it is hardly something you can amend.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Nay

I'm not sure this bill is necessary in the slightest.

So it isn't necessary to stop the cruelty shown at thousands of animals each day?

Its a regional issue. Lobby the Regional Gov'ts to pass it. Yea its a lot of work but if you want to get an issue that is a regional one passed nationwide and you are a regionalist that is the approach you should take.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Which are inactive?

The Pacific is rather inactive.

Friends, we have a chance today to pass an important piece of legislation that will fight to end the cruelty of animals. Or, we can "leave it to the regions", which could take weeks, even months to complete. In that time, over one hundred thousand animals will probably die due to cruelty or neglect. Thousands of animals, because a few insisted that regional rights were more important than animal rights in this case.

You sould like a Liberal. You hide behind furry little creatures like Liberals hide behind Children, the poor, and Seniors.


This debate has gotten very very childish and ridiculous. You can't just violate your your principles for your pet issue, that will only lead to them being violated everywhere else.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This debate has gotten very very childish and ridiculous.

Why yes, yes it has:

You sould like a Liberal. You hide behind furry little creatures like Liberals hide behind Children, the poor, and Seniors.

Indeed the fact that he is acting like that is childish. I have every right to point it out, Bgwah.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well I always thought the Schools were purposely indoctrinating the kiddies to love furry creatures a little more then they otherwise would or should (to further the enviro-facist adjenda). I must say, I find it this whole thing lolish for that reason, forgive me while I ROTFLOL.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

And forgive me while I ROTFLOL about your allegations of "enviro-facism". That's almost as good as "Cultural Marxism".

I don't know how you can take yourself seriously, let alone how anyone else would be able to.

I feel I do a public service Xahar, I keep people like you in business. You would think you'd be sayin "Thank You"

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well I always thought the Schools were purposely indoctrinating the kiddies to love furry creatures a little more then they otherwise would or should (to further the enviro-facist adjenda). I must say, I find it this whole thing lolish for that reason, forgive me while I ROTFLOL.

What is an enviro-fascist?

Extreme Environmentalism to the point of wanting to destroy and as Obama's technology Tsar said "de-industrialize" America, which in my opinion is just a stalking horse for socialism. Carbon taxes, Cap-n-trade, and draconing restrictions that make certain economic activities impossible even if they could benefit the local environment or the environment in general. Such has holding up the building of a Hydro-plant for a fish or relatively safe offshore drilling of Natural Gas and oil but especially the Natural Gas from which the revenues and taxes can be put into conservation efforts. Forcing people to buy or preventing them from buying certain things to reduce the amount of carbon in the atmosphere by like .0001%.

This is not to be confused with reasonable efforst to conserve resources, protect wildlife (that are trully in danger), and moves towards greater efficiency. Its up to the individual to judge the differences. The best way to improve efficiency and reduce emissions and waste is technological advancement not policies that sacrifice much for little gain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well I always thought the Schools were purposely indoctrinating the kiddies to love furry creatures a little more then they otherwise would or should (to further the enviro-facist adjenda). I must say, I find it this whole thing lolish for that reason, forgive me while I ROTFLOL.

What is an enviro-fascist?

Extreme Environmentalism to the point of wanting to destroy and as Obama's technology Tsar said "de-industrialize" America, which in my opinion is just a stalking horse for socialism. Carbon taxes, Cap-n-trade, and draconing restrictions that make certain economic activities impossible even if they could benefit the local environment or the environment in general. Such has holding up the building of a Hydro-plant for a fish or relatively safe offshore drilling of Natural Gas and oil but especially the Natural Gas from which the revenues and taxes can be put into conservation efforts. Forcing people to buy or preventing them from buying certain things to reduce the amount of carbon in the atmosphere by like .0001%.

This is not to be confused with reasonable efforst to conserve resources, protect wildlife (that are trully in danger), and moves towards greater efficiency. Its up to the individual to judge the differences. The best way to improve efficiency and reduce emissions and waste is technological advancement not policies that sacrifice much for little gain.

With respect, Yank, I don't begin to see how this particular bill can be remotely compared to "enviro-facism" as you define it.

I never said that it was. I was making a dig at Tmth.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well I always thought the Schools were purposely indoctrinating the kiddies to love furry creatures a little more then they otherwise would or should (to further the enviro-facist adjenda). I must say, I find it this whole thing lolish for that reason, forgive me while I ROTFLOL.

What is an enviro-fascist?

Extreme Environmentalism to the point of wanting to destroy and as Obama's technology Tsar said "de-industrialize" America, which in my opinion is just a stalking horse for socialism. Carbon taxes, Cap-n-trade, and draconing restrictions that make certain economic activities impossible even if they could benefit the local environment or the environment in general. Such has holding up the building of a Hydro-plant for a fish or relatively safe offshore drilling of Natural Gas and oil but especially the Natural Gas from which the revenues and taxes can be put into conservation efforts. Forcing people to buy or preventing them from buying certain things to reduce the amount of carbon in the atmosphere by like .0001%.

This is not to be confused with reasonable efforst to conserve resources, protect wildlife (that are trully in danger), and moves towards greater efficiency. Its up to the individual to judge the differences. The best way to improve efficiency and reduce emissions and waste is technological advancement not policies that sacrifice much for little gain.

With respect, Yank, I don't begin to see how this particular bill can be remotely compared to "enviro-facism" as you define it.

I never said that it was. I was making a dig at Tmth.

Game over, you failed.

Damn, I thought I would atleast reach level 15.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It's funny how cap and trade are leading us towards fascism and socialism... yet when you look at WWII Germany and Italy and communist Russia.. you'll find they had little regard for the natural environment.  In fact, the Soviet Union did wonders for pollution.  As has communist China.

Cap and trade is, by its very definition, not socialist or fascist.  It is a regulation set forth by a democratically elected government that prods the market into reducing emissions where they can be reduced efficiently while allowing trades so that industries that can't efficiently reduce emissions can buy credits and keep polluting.

Sure, it's not laissez faire free enterprise, but it works just fine within a capitalist system, and actually has its roots in free democratic action and concern for the environment.

The policy of Cap-n-trade is not fascist, the reasoning of the people pushing it is. Silencing opposition, manipulating data, and attempting to indoctrinate people into beleiving a certain way (Global Warming is being taught the AL Gore way to children as young as Elemenary school). What do you call that? You have questioned certain aspects of Global Warming yourself, Snowguy, surely you can understand what I am talking about. The need or desire for Cap-and Trade, is based off, pseudo-fascistic science that violates every rule of the scientific method except maybe the observation and hypothesis parts. However it seems most of these people stop here and then message the data to support their hypothesis. I have a hard time not seeing alterior motives in this, such as wealth redistribution/economic stagnation advocated by many on the fringe left. What else would be the purpose in staging such elaborate lies and falsehoods. Both of that is just theory on my part, what is undeniable fact is that Cap-n-Trade is in fact a Trading scheme that was heavilly backed by Enron back in the day and Goldman Sachs. And its clear Enron's and other's goal, and in my opinion some of the environmentatlists pushing that solution, would be in a position or would quickly move to a position that would allow them to significantly benefit themselves financially.

So we got pseudo science, a history of socialism or far left sympathy among many of the environmenatlists pushing this, and a solution that is a trading scheme that would allow people who are pushing it to enrich themselves of the general inflation of the economy, further squeezing of the middle class, and yet more pain for poorest people. Why I am off base in drawing this together and maintaining a healthy does of skepticism. Why is un-science accepted as undeniable facts, why should I trust a bunch of aged hippie socialists who have added a Ph.D and cut their hair, and a bunch of financial scam artists to form the energy policy (and basically economically policy) of the whole nation?

I am sorry, if I don't put blind faith in these people, I don't put the amount of trust in my parents that some of you put in these very unethical and questionable people.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Finally back on topic.

I will review the changes later, I have to get offline.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Aye