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Ray Goldfield
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« on: September 11, 2016, 08:49:23 AM »
« edited: September 11, 2016, 11:24:56 AM by Sweet Meteor O' Death 2016 »

Obama's actual legacy will be the complete breakdown of the separation of powers.
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2016, 12:13:12 PM »

Obama's actual legacy will be the complete breakdown of the separation of powers.

Obama actually averages the least number of executive orders per year since Grover Cleveland.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php

Executive orders aren't the problem. Bypassing the US system of government altogether and ratifying game-changing treaties and agreements through international law and the UN is the problem.

As is his attempt to unilaterally declare Congress in recess, but that was smacked down by the courts.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2016, 02:44:02 PM »

If President Obama is eroding the balance of power between the branches of government, the real culprit is the almost insane obstructionism that we have seen from Republicans in Congress since the beginning of his administration. 

Again, not liking the rules of the game doesn't mean you get to throw the Monopoly board on the floor and declare yourself monarch of Atlantic City and everyone is required to pay rent to you by divine right.
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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2016, 04:15:54 PM »

Gingrich's actual legacy will be the complete breakdown of the separation of powers.
FTFY

The United Nations is not the fourth branch of government.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2016, 09:21:35 PM »

Gingrich's actual legacy will be the complete breakdown of the separation of powers.
FTFY

The United Nations is not the fourth branch of government.
Ummm, you totally missed my point. If it weren't for Gingrich, we wouldn't have the absurd amount of obstructionism in Congress that we do today, and it wouldn't fall onto the President to actually do things.

And you're missing my point, which is that it doesn't matter how obstructed the President's agenda is - he doesn't get to unilaterally rewrite the rules and do things like declare Congress in recess or sublet American law to the United Nations. We're going to be fighting over things like the Iran deal and the Paris accords in the courts for decades, and if the US' involvement in the UN collapses under a Republican admin., Obama's overreach will bear a lot of the blame.
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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2016, 05:04:47 PM »

Climate change is an existential threat to our entire race. I don't like the precedent that Obama's approach to executive action sets, but it's better than having Congress block treaties that might well be saving our lives 50 years from now.

Totally agree with this. Too much is at stake, and if Congress is going to play politics over a threat like this, then Obama's justified in using executive action.

Gonna enjoy quoting things like this when President Trump replaces "climate change" with "illegal immigration".
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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2016, 05:46:47 PM »

Climate change is an existential threat to our entire race. I don't like the precedent that Obama's approach to executive action sets, but it's better than having Congress block treaties that might well be saving our lives 50 years from now.

Totally agree with this. Too much is at stake, and if Congress is going to play politics over a threat like this, then Obama's justified in using executive action.

Gonna enjoy quoting things like this when President Trump replaces "climate change" with "illegal immigration".

This post doesn't make since since A. Trump isn't going to win and B. Climate change is a life or death issue while illegal immigration isn't a major problem.

Man, if you're that confident, you're watching a different election than me. I'm voting Johnson, but this election is not going well for Clinton.

And who's going to make that determination of what a life-or-death issue where the separation of powers no longer matters is? The President.
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