Labour have conceded the civil liberties principle to the National Government...

[Democratic Hawk]

Did you just copy and paste that post from a recent thread? Looks 99% identical to me.

Yes I did. And being accurate I tend to wield it at the Right like a sledgehammer

I find it more amusing than anything else, to be honest....but be my guest.

But it's nowt to be funny about. The welfare state went beyond what the enlightened new liberals envisaged for it

Nobody should have to 'exist' on benefits

[Franzl]

But it's nowt to be funny about. The welfare state went beyond what the enlightened new liberals envisaged for it

Nobody should have to 'exist' on benefits

And I don't fancy the government owning entire industries and dictating what should and should not be paid.....but we'll just have to agree we have different things we dislike.

[Democratic Hawk]

But it's nowt to be funny about. The welfare state went beyond what the enlightened new liberals envisaged for it

Nobody should have to 'exist' on benefits

And I don't fancy the government owning entire industries and dictating what should and should not be paid.....but we'll just have to agree we have different things we dislike.

I don't fancy government owning entire industries either but I'd say government's role in setting standards are very imporant. And that to me is what positive liberalism, and freedom, is all about