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Question: Which do you prefer?
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Democratic Party
 
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KKE
 
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« on: September 24, 2014, 11:15:56 PM »

KKE is Stalinist?  I thought it was the breakaway groups that were Stalinist, and KKE was more like CPUSA?
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2014, 09:26:35 PM »

The Democratic Party, obviously. Nearly every Communist Party in the world is hardly Communist, but rather some type of weird Stalinist, Leninist, Maoist or other authoritarian party. Give me a Pure Communist party and I'll be on board.

Doesn't everyone consider their version of Communism to be the pure one?
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2014, 09:55:08 PM »

The Democratic Party, obviously. Nearly every Communist Party in the world is hardly Communist, but rather some type of weird Stalinist, Leninist, Maoist or other authoritarian party. Give me a Pure Communist party and I'll be on board.

Doesn't everyone consider their version of Communism to be the pure one?

There is only one correct definition of pure Communism. It's like interpretations of Islam. Just because ISIS has a view of what Islam is doesn't mean it's the correct one.

Why does an ideology have to have any single "correct" version, and who decides which version it is?  It's true though that Communists tend to agree there is only one correct definition of Communism, and that theirs is the correct one.   Saying you believe in "pure Communism" doesn't tell us anything about which version of Communism you believe is the pure one.
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2014, 10:12:14 PM »

The Democratic Party, obviously. Nearly every Communist Party in the world is hardly Communist, but rather some type of weird Stalinist, Leninist, Maoist or other authoritarian party. Give me a Pure Communist party and I'll be on board.

Doesn't everyone consider their version of Communism to be the pure one?

There is only one correct definition of pure Communism. It's like interpretations of Islam. Just because ISIS has a view of what Islam is doesn't mean it's the correct one.

Why does an ideology have to have any single "correct" version, and who decides which version it is?  It's true though that Communists tend to agree there is only one correct definition of Communism, and that theirs is the correct one.   Saying you believe in "pure Communism" doesn't tell us anything about which version of Communism you believe is the pure one.

Pure Communism is the ideal of a stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production, preferably without a system of paper or metal-based currency.

Sure, there is the ideal, but the major reason you see these different versions of Communism is that there has been a disagreement over how to achieve it, which leads people in very different directions.
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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2014, 03:48:35 PM »

Sure, there is the ideal, but the major reason you see these different versions of Communism is that there has been a disagreement over how to achieve it, which leads people in very different directions.

Of course. I never said there wasn't a split over how to achieve the goal, I said that said splits are missing the point and muddying the definition of Communism.

How can it be missing the point for a political party to have an idea about how it is going to achieve its goals?  Political parties don't exist just so they can daydream about what kind of world they'd like to live in.
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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2014, 06:30:48 PM »

Was Marx a Communist at least? 
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