43rd British Columbia general election

[Tintrlvr]

And what will they name this new party? Because if it doesn't have "Conservative" in the name, then you can expect it won't do as well.

Maybe the BC Liberal Party, to get away from both Conservative and United brands?

[DL]

I find it amusing how they still use this dated 1970s language about saving "free enterprise" - as if the NDP under Horgan or Eby ever posed the slightest threat to free enterprise. Its not as if the BC NDP has workers of the world unite as its mission statement and wants to nationalize all heavy industry.

[Benjamin Frank 2.0]

I find it amusing how they still use this dated 1970s language about saving "free enterprise" - as if the NDP under Horgan or Eby ever posed the slightest threat to free enterprise. Its not as if the BC NDP has workers of the world unite as its mission statement and wants to nationalize all heavy industry.

There are definitely companies in the resource sector that are anti NDP and many in the construction sector aren't exactly happy with the NDP either.

[DL]

There are lots of companies in the resource sector who are not crazy about some federal Liberal policies and yet the Liberals are never labelled anti-free enterprise - in fact they are very much the party of big business

[S019]

I find it amusing how they still use this dated 1970s language about saving "free enterprise" - as if the NDP under Horgan or Eby ever posed the slightest threat to free enterprise. Its not as if the BC NDP has workers of the world unite as its mission statement and wants to nationalize all heavy industry.

I understood "free-enterprise coalition" to just be the colloquial term for the anti NDP alliance of Liberals and Tories in BC. I'm pretty sure it's just useful shorthand carried over from the NDP vs Social Credit era when the NDP did in many ways pose a threat to business. The BC Liberals/BC United even presented themselves as a "free enterprise coalition," so it can't imagine that exactly harmed the idea of continuing to use that phrasing.

[Hatman 🍁]

United Liberal-Conservative Free Enterprise Social Credit Coalition Party of British Columbia

Rolls off the tongue quite easily.

[DL]

I find it amusing how they still use this dated 1970s language about saving "free enterprise" - as if the NDP under Horgan or Eby ever posed the slightest threat to free enterprise. Its not as if the BC NDP has workers of the world unite as its mission statement and wants to nationalize all heavy industry.

I understood "free-enterprise coalition" to just be the colloquial term for the anti NDP alliance of Liberals and Tories in BC. I'm pretty sure it's just useful shorthand carried over from the NDP vs Social Credit era when the NDP did in many ways pose a threat to business. The BC Liberals/BC United even presented themselves as a "free enterprise coalition," so it can't imagine that exactly harmed the idea of continuing to use that phrasing.

I'm not saying that "free enterprise" terminology necessarily harms anyone - its just so dated and vestigial. At one time all the wealthy and educated people from the business elites voted en masse for which ever party was anti-NDP - and the NDP got massive support from people with lower incomes. Like much of the western world - the political coalitions have changed enormously. The BC NDP now wins some of the highest income ridings and tends to do well among high income highly educated people many of whom work in business in the private sector...the issues that separate the NDP from the parties on the right are no longer things like nationalizing entire industries - its now more cultural issues and environmental issues 

[Benjamin Frank 2.0]

There are lots of companies in the resource sector who are not crazy about some federal Liberal policies and yet the Liberals are never labelled anti-free enterprise - in fact they are very much the party of big business

Justin Trudeau has definitely been labelled an anti-free enterprise 'socialist' and they are the party of 'Eastern Establishment' big business but opposed by the Western Resource big business (I wonder who J.D Irving in New Brunswick supports.)

[The Right Honourable Martin Brian Mulroney PC CC GOQ]

I'm not saying that "free enterprise" terminology necessarily harms anyone - its just so dated and vestigial.  

It is vestigial, but these things often are. I mean, the same could be said about the label "Progressive Conservative" which is still used by many provincial Tory parties. It dates back to a leadership convention in 1942, when the popular Liberal-Progressive Premier of Manitoba, John Bracken, agreed to lead the Tories on condition that they add "progressive" to the party name, because Bracken's personal brand was heavily tied to the agrarian progressive movement of the 1920s.

The "progressive" part of PC isn't really about ideology, and it's certainly not an accurate description of many politicians who continue to use that label. It's about a deal struck 82 years ago by the Tories to draft one specific man to be their leader. And the way we use the term "progressive" in 21st century politics is quite different from what it meant to early 20th century agrarians like John Bracken.

Hell, Social Credit was like that too. It's named after a weird 1930s monetary theory that they themselves abandoned very soon after they became relevant. The Social Credit dynasty that ruled BC during the Cold War era never even tried to implement social credit ideology or policy, it was entirely a vestige of a brand that had once been popular in rural Canada during the Great Depression.

[Sol]

So wait, am I right in assessing that basically the entirety of the collapse of BC United is because of the name change?

LOL

[The Right Honourable Martin Brian Mulroney PC CC GOQ]

So wait, am I right in assessing that basically the entirety of the collapse of BC United is because of the name change?

LOL

Someone from BC might know better, but my understanding is that the rebrand just confused a lot of people at first, and that can have an impact in the polls. Let's say around this time last year, if I'm a typical federal Tory/provincial Liberal voter in BC, but I don't follow politics too closely, I might not even know about the BC Liberal rebrand. The polling prompts are NDP (dirty hippies), Green (dirty hippies), BC United (what?), and Conservative. Well if you're a federal Conservative voter and you don't know what BC United is, just by process of elimination, you would pick Conservative. Not to mention BC Conservatives had already made gains in 2020, and I think that confusion alone gave them enough of a polling boost, which subsequently led to more people taking the BC Conservatives more seriously. Again, just spitballing here.

I also wonder if it's just that calling yourself a Conservative is kind of an asset in the current climate. Like people aren't voting for John Rustad, polls show that his unknowns are still very high for a leader in his position, and David Eby still has a better net favourable. Halfway across the country, Doug Ford has become fairly unpopular, yet the PCs still poll in majority territory and actually gained support in a recent byelection in a key swing seat. In theory, neither Ford nor Rustad should be doing as well as they are. But both Ford's party and Rustad's party have "Conservative" in their name, and the CPC hasn't consistently polled this high literally since the party's founding. So it's possible that CPC's polling boost federally is having a "downballot" impact of just making people more favourable to parties that have "conservative" in their name.