Why do Republicans seem to think they are owed support from Libertarians?

[Goldwater]

The libertarian and conservative mindsets are radically different, and I think the only reason they are lumped together by so many people is because guns and Obamacare were such big issues in the early 2010s, and they are issues where conservatives and libertarians tended to agree. Libertarians believe economic efficiency is an end in itself - I don't, and I think letting unrestrained market forces reach whatever outcome they coalesce on is a horrible idea that leads to horrible outcomes, which is precisely why I support curbs on immigration, oppose unrestricted free trade, support zoning laws, etc.

But I actually think that libertarians who are more neoliberal than paleoconservative, which is most of them, belong more in the Dems than the GOP. Actual libertarians, as opposed to conservatives who like weed and have no problem with gays, are such a tiny voting bloc that it's not worth conceding so many core principles to win them over. Like PiT, I do respect them for their principled stands against foreign wars though.

There are lots of reasons to think that, as decline in trust in institutions and governments continues, it is the paleoconservatives who will end joining the Democrats. (Also, I don't know what strawman you've constructed with "actual libertarians", but we're reaching the point where "conservatives who like weed and have no problem with gays" -- here meaning movement conservatives who want to repeal Obamacare and cut taxes because this will causally lead to economic growth -- are an enormous fraction of the GOP and an outright majority of GOP voters under 60 or so). The more that the GOP base reviles statism, and the Democrats are defined by their support from an educated class ever more alienated from the rest of society, the more that folks like Hawley will inevitably be forced into the Democratic coalition, which is where I expect to see him in 20 years.

I find this interesting, because on another post you said this:

The decline of trust in government will mean that some of their policies, like raising taxes or general fiscal progressivism, will be less emphasized. They will probably lean in to popular secular beliefs, particularly on abortion and perhaps also on LGBT issues; more speculatively, on drug legalization and perhaps sex-work associated issues. Since they will be trying to keep support from people with high social trust, one exception to the general decline in economic leftism will be continued strong support for unions (though this may not be super relevant), and also the most classic cross-cultural high-trust party positioning: becoming the party of the military. (2032 may be kind of early for this -- although maybe not -- but I really do expect Democrats to maintain relevance by going in a militaristic and interventionist angle over the next few decades.)

So unless I'm completely misunderstanding something, you are saying that the Democratic Party is going to become a secular hawkish pro-establishment party that also has paleoconservative types in it for some reason?

[Goldwater]

Josh Hawley is not a paleoconservative. Neither is JD Vance. Both are just Elizabeth Warren if she didn't really go woke on gays. A Paleocon is someone who would have opposed FDR during the new deal and pretty much adored Robert A. Taft.

[Goldwater]

This thread confirms the death of the libertarian wing on atlas. Only 3 exist

Who are they?

jaichind, dead0man, and idk the 3rd

dead0man recommended Dule’s thread though.

To my knowledge, dead0man isn't invoking ayn rand to support biden's policy towards ukraine/russia

Do you have some kind of attention deficit disorder? You implied that libertarianism necessarily entailed a completely isolationist foreign policy, so I pointed out that the intellectual progenitors of libertarianism (including but not limited to Rand and Goldwater) endorsed much more hawkish approaches to foreign policy than I do. This completely disproves your point and if you had any self-awareness you would’ve dropped the subject by now.

Barry Goldwater was a conservative not a libertarian. He was a libertarian leaning conservative but still a conservative first

I'll be honest, I'm not really sure I understand why Barry Goldwater is "still a conservative first" while Ron Paul is "The most iconic libertarian politician".