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Gustaf
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« on: November 19, 2011, 09:43:15 PM »

The European left is in a bit of a crisis. The Right sold out their ideology decades ago, but the left is still not used to it.
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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2011, 08:17:08 AM »

The European left is in a bit of a crisis. The Right sold out their ideology decades ago, but the left is still not used to it.

What was the 'ideology' of the European Right? Monarchism? What about the left throwing out communism?

The mainstream left was never Communist. The split between commies and social democrats occurred before democratic elections were held in most countries.

I was being a bit hyperbolic, but the European right lost many of its major battles (including monarchy in many places, but more importantly stuff like the welfare state and so on). They have tended to adapt and go pragmatic.

The European left is still having a bit of trouble with that. Too much idealism still floating around.
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Gustaf
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2011, 04:38:16 PM »

The European left is in a bit of a crisis. The Right sold out their ideology decades ago, but the left is still not used to it.

There you go again, being serious and reasonable...

Are you being sarcastic? Or giving me the blind hen benefit?
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2011, 04:55:37 AM »

lol wonkish1, just lol.

Also, Am I alone in being disappointed we have threads about this but not about the concentrated attack on the welfare state we're currently witnessing?

You're certainly not alone in not having started a thread on that. Tongue

Besides, isn't it more or less the same thing?
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2011, 06:53:10 PM »

Besides, isn't it more or less the same thing?

Well, no. Because one would be discussing a very real thing happening at the moment, while the other would be arrogant masturbation.

Still not seeing the difference.
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2011, 03:13:02 AM »

Besides, isn't it more or less the same thing?

Well, no. Because one would be discussing a very real thing happening at the moment, while the other would be arrogant masturbation.

Still not seeing the difference.

Between what and what?

Between a very real thing happening at the moment and arrogant masturbation, of course.
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