Can nationalism and popularism be defeated in 2020 or is Trump inevitable?

[Queen Isuelt]

the UK election is very complicated but its very similar to a Michigan, Pennslyvania and Wisconsin.

The combination of white economic popularism and hidden nationalism is an impossible combination to beat.

I don't actually know how you defeat economic nationalism in this current climate? We have a social media platform in facebook that allows any perception to be created whether true or false. We have a distrust in the media and we have a system where voters only want to listen to people with their views.

We are literally having a realignment of uneducated poor people voting for a party that solely fights for the interests of the rich and uses culture wars to pick up votes compared to a left that panders to what is right or wrong.

The left continues to be defeated and they continue to make the same mistakes because they have no answers to address white working class people.

If the left chooses Biden we have a re-run of 2016 and if the left chooses Sanders we have a massacre. The left needs to find answers fast to defeat this toxic mix of white economic nationalism and popularism because if it doesn't then Trump will win in 2020.
 

[Queen Isuelt]

With all due respect, Scarlett, but didn't you say you would vote for Trump (or Klobuchar) if the election was held today? Why the concern if you don't believe that the Democrats can win no matter who they nominate?

In that context, this feels more like a pre-emptive "nothing you can do about it, lefties" post.  


And sorry, Cory Booker, Texas may be closer than 2016 and there's a definite trend there, but it's just not going to flip in 2020.

Correct. I will be voting for Trump if Klobuchar is not the nominee. I'm not voting for Trump because I like him but I don't have a choice compared to what is being offered.

My concern is the "noise" from both far left and far right. In 2018, a message was sent to democrats that if they put rational people in the ballot like Elissa Slotkin, Kendra Horn, Abigail Spanberger, Elaine Luria, Cindy Axne then voters will vote for it. Instead the democrats think we want AOC, Ilhan Omar and Bernie Sanders.

The country has serious economic/social problems. The jobs aren't coming back to many communities but the lack of hope and trust is extremely worrying and democrats. I'm probably a John Kasich kind of republican. 

[Queen Isuelt]

the UK election is very complicated but its very similar to a Michigan, Pennslyvania and Wisconsin.

The combination of white economic popularism and hidden nationalism is an impossible combination to beat.

I don't actually know how you defeat economic nationalism in this current climate? We have a social media platform in facebook that allows any perception to be created whether true or false. We have a distrust in the media and we have a system where voters only want to listen to people with their views.

We are literally having a realignment of uneducated poor people voting for a party that solely fights for the interests of the rich and uses culture wars to pick up votes compared to a left that panders to what is right or wrong.

The left continues to be defeated and they continue to make the same mistakes because they have no answers to address white working class people.

If the left chooses Biden we have a re-run of 2016 and if the left chooses Sanders we have a massacre. The left needs to find answers fast to defeat this toxic mix of white economic nationalism and popularism because if it doesn't then Trump will win in 2020.
 

Maybe if the left would denounce communism (or socialism or progressivism or whatever they want to call it these days) they would stand a chance with that demographic.

I am reminded of the fictional show "House of Cards" (US version), where Frank Underwood is giving his speech to promote his jobs act. And though his character was a slimy worst-case type of politician, that speech he gave (despite coming from a Democrat) would have certainly got my attention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJUyPjguq6E&feature=youtu.be

The fact you think those terms are interchangeable for the same idea shows how politically uninformed you are

Bernie is a socialist though however I have never heard him answer the question if he thinks people have a right to private property. Bernie does believe that the central government should be responsible for providing basic necessities from housing, healthcare and education. My understanding of Bernie is that he wants to pass socialist policies through the democratic process. The problem with democratic socialism is once they get power they act like communists. Socialism only developed as a consequence of the industrial revolution. We are facing difficult economic/social challenges today and this is why we are seeing the emergence of sanders.

a vote for bernie is a vote for socialism which could lead to communism.