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Question: Please answer the questions following the indications of my post.
#1
1 - In favor
 
#2
1 - Against
 
#3
1 - Undecided
 
#4
2 - In favor
 
#5
2 - Against
 
#6
2 - Undecided
 
#7
3 - Senate of 10 (5 At-Large, 5 Regions) and House of 15/18 (At-Large)
 
#8
3 - Senate of 10 (5 At-Large, 5 Regions) and House of 15/18 (Districts)
 
#9
3 - Senate of 10 (Regions, with 2 classes) and House of 15/18 (At-Large)
 
#10
3 - Senate of 10 (Regions, with 2 classes) and House of 15/18 (Districts)
 
#11
3 - Undecided
 
#12
4 - STV
 
#13
4 - Blocked list (Without preferences)
 
#14
4 - Open list (With preferences)
 
#15
4 - Undecided
 
#16
5 - 1 preference
 
#17
5 - 2 preferences
 
#18
5 - 3 preferences
 
#19
5 - 4 or more preferences
 
#20
5 - Undecided
 
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MyRescueKittehRocks
JohanusCalvinusLibertas
Junior Chimp
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« on: August 12, 2014, 01:39:58 PM »

I'm in favor of a senate of 6 (region elected), a house of 11(at-large), and consolidation to 3 regions.

Senate of 5 (one per region), house of 11(2 per region with one elected at-large) and no consolidation.
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MyRescueKittehRocks
JohanusCalvinusLibertas
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,763
United States


« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2014, 06:12:53 PM »

I have two objections:

(1) It's not clear how bicameralism would improve the game.
(2) It's not clear where the people to staff a second legislature would come from, even if several regions were eliminated.

I'm open to argument on (1), but (2) is the black mark on this proposal. Scattering the same number of active people across more offices is harmful to the game. Why undertake regional consolidation, which comes with significant hazards and drawbacks, only to undo its greatest benefit by creating even more offices than were eliminated?

My guess is that, if this were tried, it would work about as well as the Senate Committee System. Making the game more complicated confuses people, discourages participation, and creates more work for the few players who remain. Any reforms that we undertake should make the game more simpler and more accessible. This would do the opposite.

Under my plan no region gets consolidated.
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MyRescueKittehRocks
JohanusCalvinusLibertas
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,763
United States


« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2014, 10:06:45 PM »

Then how the f**k does that work?! We'd just have a profusion of offices.

Only six more than we have currently.

 
Yeah bicameralism can't work without it. We have enough trouble filling offices as it is.

Why should adding six offices federally cost us the existence of my region. We all know the Pacific and Midwest will merge and the IDS and Northeast and maybe the merged Pacific/Midwest will split the pieces of the Mideast under most consolidation maps.
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MyRescueKittehRocks
JohanusCalvinusLibertas
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,763
United States


« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2014, 12:16:48 PM »

Why should adding six offices federally cost us the existence of my region.

Because your region is a garbage heap, incapable of maintaining basic activity standards, an active Governor, an active Assembly, etc. It very well may be the most inactive region of the game now, and that's saying a lot when you're worse than the Pacific and/or Midwest, historically-speaking.

How can we have an active assembly when two thirds of our assemblymen recently joined the senate and we've not heard from the governor about said replacements? He could've had an active assembly had he not appointed one of them to the senate. Trust me. I tried to convince him that his decision was not in the regional best interest but he didn't take me up on my offer.

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MyRescueKittehRocks
JohanusCalvinusLibertas
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,763
United States


« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2014, 12:30:02 PM »

Why should adding six offices federally cost us the existence of my region.

Because your region is a garbage heap, incapable of maintaining basic activity standards, an active Governor, an active Assembly, etc. It very well may be the most inactive region of the game now, and that's saying a lot when you're worse than the Pacific and/or Midwest, historically-speaking.

How can we have an active assembly when two thirds of our assemblymen recently joined the senate and we've not heard from the governor about said replacements? He could've had an active assembly had he not appointed one of them to the senate. Trust me. I tried to convince him that his decision was not in the regional best interest but he didn't take me up on my offer.

You say that merely because you feel entitled to a Senate seat, which is ridiculous. Adam's denigration of the ME is strange; there isn't any especially healthy region of the country at the moment.

Had DC not resigned this wouldn't have been an issue.
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