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SirMuxALot
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« on: September 19, 2016, 11:33:27 AM »

Oh great, more of this Orwellian language that promotes the idea that the natural state of tax rates is 100% and anything below that is a giveaway / government subsidy.
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2016, 12:19:20 PM »

I said he was a welfare queen, not a criminal. He knows how to secure unfair advantages by manipulating the system -- legally.

The government lets me keep 58% of everything I produce.  Therefore, I am a welfare queen.

I know how to secure unfair advantages by manipulating my tax return - legally - to pay less than 100% of my income in taxes.
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SirMuxALot
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2016, 03:52:10 PM »

Trump doesn't respect that, and neither do all of the überwealthy who take advantage of the system.

So if I take home mortgage interest deduction (the tax code makes it optional!) am I taking advantage of the system?  Am I not respecting your natural tax rate?
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2016, 06:47:53 PM »

People who get bilked on a daily basis by mini-Trumps

This gets at the core difference between Ds and Rs.  Let me try to represent the conservative/Republican view on this best I can.

The R perspective on this is that the private sector ultimately has no power.  No one in the private sector can put a sword to your neck and force you into anything.  Feel victimized by Wells Fargo?  Easily resolved...you fire them and hire a different bank.  Don't like how Trump does business?  Easy...rent your Manhattan business office from someone else.  Competition is wonderful, isn't it?

However, the government does have the power of the sword behind it.  To take a simple example, what if one doesn't feel that the government has the moral right to require them to wear a seat belt?  Too bad, it will be enforced at gunpoint.  Yes, gunpoint.  Literally.  Because if you take this to a logical extreme, and refuse to pull over for a cop wanting to ticket you for failing to wear your seat belt, you will end up with deadly force being threatened.

No private sector organization can or will force you to do anything at gunpoint.  That is why restraint of government abuse and limiting it's power is far more important to Rs than the private sector abuse.  The individual citizen often has no recourse against government abuse, and when they do have recouse, it is exceedingly difficult and expensive to pursue.  The individual citizen almost always does have recourse against private sector abuse, and it is often as simple as closing an account and taking your business to a competitor.

Now, there is an extent to which government erects barriers to the competition (heavy regulation is a common way to do this; see all the small bank closures/absorptions after Dodd-Frank for an example) and puts private citizens in a position where they're unable to avoid private sector abuse.  Rs and Ds might agree that this happens and even agree that something should be done about it.  But Ds propose even more regulation on top of this, which results in the typical unintended consequences of cleansing power of free market competition less able to be the correcting hand it would otherwise be.

Rs see this is as a problem with government power, not private sector power.  Government unintentionally enables private sector abuse through over-regulation inevitably reducing competitive forces.
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