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« on: December 30, 2004, 04:00:41 PM »

Locke could have been much better if he hadn't been too afraid to take his ideas to their logical conclusion.

And what's that?
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A18
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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2004, 04:34:03 PM »

Locke could have been much better if he hadn't been too afraid to take his ideas to their logical conclusion.

And what's that?

That a monopoly on the use of force is an infrigment on property rights, and thus a state is immoral.

Well, the state does not have a monopoly on the use of force.
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A18
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E: 9.23, S: -6.35

« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2004, 04:44:18 PM »

Locke could have been much better if he hadn't been too afraid to take his ideas to their logical conclusion.

And what's that?

That a monopoly on the use of force is an infrigment on property rights, and thus a state is immoral.

Well, the state does not have a monopoly on the use of force.

Yes it does.

If someone breaks into my house and I kill them, the government was not the only thing with force.

The state is just an organized way for the people to use force.
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A18
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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2004, 04:59:02 PM »

Well, government or no government, there are always enough other people who could gang up and take any right away from you. But a republican state with a series of checks and balances should separate power enough that it will protect rights rather than infringe upon them.
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A18
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2004, 05:09:58 PM »

What is "legal?" It is an abstract concept. All it is is people using force.

With a state, it is possible to have the right to defend your property. Without a state, you definitely have that right. That means having a state that doesn't honor the right to protect property is inferior, but having a state that does is equal.
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