Canada 2011 Official Thread

[minionofmidas]

Outside Québec, the NDP won 44 seats - exactly one more than their previous record.
Nova Scotia and Manitoba were disappointing. The rest of the Atlantic, Sas (thanks to the vilest map outside of France and America), Alberta, BC were good, decent, par results - what you should have expected (and hoped for a few random gains that then failed to materialize.) There are a few legitimate NDP targets left in BC on a minor swing and without complete destruction of the Liberal remnant (and the Greens), btw, though there are similar - slightly larger - numbers of NDP-held marginals.
In Québec, we've seen a realignment and it's unlikely to go away. Certainly the Harper Tories are not going to win the former Bloc heartland and the Anglo Liberals aren't either. No, it's much the most likely (not set in stone, evidently) that Québec returns to the pre-93 (or 84, technically) traditional state that prevailed since about 1900, except with the Liberals replaced by their successor as Canada's major leftwing party, permanently. What will happen in Anglo Montreal remains to be seen; the Tories are a very bad fit outside Lac-Saint-Louis. If as seems likely, the Liberals stay around as zombies for a while yet, a la the PCs in the 90s, Montreal may be one of the last places where they disappear.
That leaves Real Canada, ie Ontario. Where the NDP actually had another extremely good result, even if dwarved by Québec. So had the Tories though. And either result is dwarved by the size of the Liberal collapse. Which is very much centered here. And is a sight to see. And looks final(ish). A few problems: Where the Tories won in 2008, they are now typically around 50-55%. Most of these will be hard to dislodge. Where they won now thanks to split opposition, the Liberals are typically still in second place. Which suggests that 2015 will merely see the NDP move into second place in these kind of locales (as too many idiots still vote Liberal because they mistakenly think the Liberals are better placed to retake them), and 2019 is the year we supporters of Prime Minister Mulcair should be looking forward to.

[Hatman 🍁]

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[DL]

Looks like the NDP may get one more seat and the Tories one fewer. There was a counting error in the rural Quebec riding of Montmagny-L"Islet-Riviere-du-loup-Kamouraska and the NDP candidate Lapointe now leads by 5 votes (the same guy ran in that same riding in a byelection in 2009 and got less than 5% of the vote!)

[minionofmidas]

(the same guy ran in that same riding in a byelection in 2009 and got less than 5% of the vote!)

Lol.

[Verily]

The fact is that the NDP is culturally a bad fit. Its not that its Quebec caucus is made up of students, activists, and randoms, its that the party as a whole is identified with groups that a lot of the Liberal electorate does not want representing them even if they agree with them politically. If the Liberals and NDP were to merge while the NDP is artificially inflated by their Quebec win, a party of professionals would be replaced in the Toronto suburbs with a party of inner city activists, and that would be devastating.

Well, if you believe Compas' polling, the NDP itself has been attracting a more educated base than in the past and is less reliant on students, activists and randoms than most think.  That said, there definitely would be blue Liberals who would switch to the Tories should the NDP and Liberals merge, just as some red Tories switched to the Liberals after the Progressive Conservatives merged with the Reform Party to form the current Conservative Party of Canada.

I'm curious what Scott Brison, the only surviving PC -> Liberal switcher after the PC/Alliance merger, would do in such a situation.

[Meeker]

Perhaps Stéphane Dion will try to make a comeback.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Nova Scotia and Manitoba were disappointing.

And what do those two provinces have in common? The NDP is in power provincially in both.

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Yeah; I had a nasty feeling that the likely increase in Saskatchewan might be just about everywhere but the seat where they nearly won in 2008 - exactly what happened. Roll on the boundary review...

Relief that the vulnerable Burnaby seat held, btw. That - and Esquimalt - was a legit good result. Also Vancouver Kingsway has returned to its traditional status as a safe NDP seat.

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A tentative agreement on that point, yeah. Have a look at that list of NDP candidates with over 50% and there are clear patterns.

No disagreement wrt Ontario, though there were some very promising results in places; if there's ever serious discontent with the Harper government, anyway.

[MaxQue]

According to the news, Liberals and Conservatives are contesting the election of Ruth Ellen Brosseau (NDP) in Berthier-Maskinongé.

According to them, the candidate form isn't legally filled.
Some people who signed don't remember it and some are saying they thought they were signing a petition.

[Dan the Roman]

According to the news, Liberals and Conservatives are contesting the election of Ruth Ellen Brosseau (NDP) in Berthier-Maskinongé.

According to them, the candidate form isn't legally filled.
Some people who signed don't remember it and some are saying they thought they were signing a petition.

Stupid, stupid. The woman is a walking disaster. They really should hope to keep her in Ottawa as long as possible.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

'The woman'? Careful now...

Seriously though, voters do not like their will invalidated by a technicality. Ask Gerry Malone for details.

[Хahar 🤔]

Remember that Canadian MPs are automatons. Their function is to vote as the leader directs. When it is time for Mulcair to select his cabinet, all the Quebec MPs will have plenty of experience. For now it does not matter.

[MaxQue]

According to the news, Liberals and Conservatives are contesting the election of Ruth Ellen Brosseau (NDP) in Berthier-Maskinongé.

According to them, the candidate form isn't legally filled.
Some people who signed don't remember it and some are saying they thought they were signing a petition.

Stupid, stupid. The woman is a walking disaster. They really should hope to keep her in Ottawa as long as possible.

The woman was living in Ottawa, so, she wasn't involved in the signatures.

[Dan the Roman]

According to the news, Liberals and Conservatives are contesting the election of Ruth Ellen Brosseau (NDP) in Berthier-Maskinongé.

According to them, the candidate form isn't legally filled.
Some people who signed don't remember it and some are saying they thought they were signing a petition.

Stupid, stupid. The woman is a walking disaster. They really should hope to keep her in Ottawa as long as possible.

The woman was living in Ottawa, so, she wasn't involved in the signatures.

I heard that may not have been the legal response to give about the signatures?

[MaxQue]

According to the news, Liberals and Conservatives are contesting the election of Ruth Ellen Brosseau (NDP) in Berthier-Maskinongé.

According to them, the candidate form isn't legally filled.
Some people who signed don't remember it and some are saying they thought they were signing a petition.

Stupid, stupid. The woman is a walking disaster. They really should hope to keep her in Ottawa as long as possible.

The woman was living in Ottawa, so, she wasn't involved in the signatures.

I heard that may not have been the legal response to give about the signatures?

That was an answer to the comment than the woman was a disaster, not about the signatures.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

I'm getting serious pagebreak from that link

edit - nevermind, new page!

[Dan the Roman]

According to the news, Liberals and Conservatives are contesting the election of Ruth Ellen Brosseau (NDP) in Berthier-Maskinongé.

According to them, the candidate form isn't legally filled.
Some people who signed don't remember it and some are saying they thought they were signing a petition.

Stupid, stupid. The woman is a walking disaster. They really should hope to keep her in Ottawa as long as possible.

The woman was living in Ottawa, so, she wasn't involved in the signatures.

I heard that may not have been the legal response to give about the signatures?

That was an answer to the comment than the woman was a disaster, not about the signatures.

My comment about her being one had to due with her potential future usefulness to the Conservative Party of Canada.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

Looks like Mulcair has stolen Vegas' spotlight by making a fool of himself, implying that Obama is lying when he says he has Bin Laden photos.

[Bacon King]

How does Canada do redistricting?

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

Like this: http://www.elections.ca/scripts/fedrep/main_e.htm

[Filuwaúrdjan]

With the Welsh elections tomorrow, tis time to change signatures. But I do like that picture of Lewis; not only an admirable man, but also a style icon:

[Insula Dei]

With the Welsh elections tomorrow, tis time to change signatures. But I do like that picture of Lewis; not only an admirable man, but also a style icon:

Who's the guy on the far left in your current sig? I'm semi-fascinated with the way he looks.

[Hash]

A beautiful quote from my idiot MP:

GalipeauOrleans Royal Galipeau   
       
    100 volunteers out there today! «Le ciel est bleu; l'enfer est rouge.» Look at those beautiful blue signs. #elxn41 #orleans

Thanks, Royal, I'll make sure to die in hell.

[Holmes]

Ha. I can see why you hate him so much now (apart from the horrible party affiliation). Don't worry, he's a tool, and you know it, and I'm sure he knows it too. Or, he might be so much of a tool that he doesn't realize it. Probably the latter?

[Hash]

Ha. I can see why you hate him so much now (apart from the horrible party affiliation).

My friend and his folks love him though.

[Holmes]

Ha. I can see why you hate him so much now (apart from the horrible party affiliation).

My friend and his folks love him though.

"He's the only one that cares about the community."